In this engaging conversation, fantasy author Brian McClellan joins Brandon Sanderson to dive into the world of gaming. They reminisce about the comfort of 'Valheim' during the pandemic, contrasting it with 'Ark: Survival Evolved.' The duo tackles the competitive gaming industry, questioning the monopolistic grip of tech giants. They also explore the thrilling future of AI in games, envisioning chatbots as dynamic NPCs. With a touch of nostalgia, they share their favorite S-tier games and the joy of exploration versus linear storytelling.

Brian McClellan, an epic fantasy author known for his Powder Mage series, joins Brandon Sanderson for a deliciously fun chat about steak. They discuss favorite cuts and cooking temperatures, sharing personal anecdotes that highlight their culinary adventures. The pair dives into the vibrant barbecue culture, playfully debating regional styles and reminiscing about nostalgic food experiences. They even touch on the merits of various pizza styles, making it a mouthwatering conversation for food lovers and fantasy fans alike!