Marie and Ben are a power couple. Together, they run Notion Mastery, an intense workshop for people who want to use Notion professionally and productively. In our conversation, we'll dive into platform risk, building a sustainable educational business, how to work together as a couple, and why social media distribution matters a lot to educational founders. Enjoy!00:00:00 What can we learn from permaculture? 00:04:55 How do you make it profitable?00:10:57 Building an info product on top of a shifting platform?00:13:28 How do you keep your courses relevant in the future?00:19:14 Perfectionism is a huge problem00:22:12 How do you speak to an audience that is so diverse?00:27:33 Are you a user or are you a builder? 00:29:52 Channels that have worked the best.00:33:55 Partnerships00:37:16 How to build a business with yout partner.00:43:08 What is needed to keep a long-term event like this running?00:46:34 The breathing businessMy new podcast project: Arvid & Tyler Catch Up / https://catchup.fmThe blog post: https://thebootstrappedfounder.com/marie-poulin-benjamin-borowski-digital-permaculture/The podcast episode: https://share.transistor.fm/s/faf48b60The video: https://youtu.be/Dr0Uty8heyo You'll find my weekly article on my blog: https://thebootstrappedfounder.comPodcast: https://thebootstrappedfounder.com/podcastNewsletter: https://thebootstrappedfounder.com/newsletterMy book Zero to Sold: https://zerotosold.com/My book The Embedded Entrepreneur: https://embeddedentrepreneur.com/My course Find Your Following: https://findyourfollowing.comFind me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/arvidkahl/