In this thought-provoking discussion, Bart Bonikowski, an expert in sociology and politics, Alison Harrell, a political science professor, and Yasmin Aboulaban, a Canada Research Chair, dissect the complexities of deservingness in today's democracies. They explore how right-wing populism shifts the 'deservingness ladder,' influencing public opinion on who qualifies for social benefits. The conversation touches on topics like nationalism's evolving role in American politics, the impacts of surveillance on rights, and Canada's multiculturalism as a model for inclusive nationalism.