Babsi Zangerl, a leading figure in traditional climbing, joins Jacopo Larcher, known for tackling challenging routes, to discuss the passion behind their sport. They delve into the risks and thrills of traditional climbing, sharing tales from their ascent of the notorious Eternal Flame route in Pakistan. The conversation highlights overcoming fear, the importance of gear reliability, and how their perspectives have shifted from competition to tackling the wild. Their insights shed light on the future of climbing, balancing risk with growth.