Anthony Rella, author of Slow Magic and a psychotherapist, shares insights on cultivating lasting transformation through magical practices. He emphasizes the importance of patience in personal growth and discusses the principles of Internal Family Systems. The conversation dives into magical thinking, exploring its role in advertising and mental health. Rella also examines leadership within pagan communities, stressing the need for ethical alignment and healthy communication. Additionally, he reflects on the significance of consent in magical spaces and the interconnectedness of belief systems and community.