Mick Mulroy, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for the Middle East, and Andy Milburn, author of "When the Tempest Gathers," delve into the rifts within the Trump administration regarding China. They discuss contrasting strategies toward Taiwan, weighing aggression against economic interests. Mulroy highlights the shifting dynamics of U.S. foreign policy, particularly concerning Iran’s nuclear ambitions, while Milburn offers insights on the critical role of strategic alliances in the Pacific. Their conversation unveils the complexities of navigating these geopolitical challenges.

Andy Milburn, a former CIA officer and counterterrorism expert, teams up with Mick Mulroy, also a former CIA officer and Middle East defense official, to discuss the daunting task of targeting Mexican cartels. They delve into the potential military options available, the legal complexities surrounding intervention, and the impact of cartels on Mexico's governance and economy. The duo highlights the need for a well-rounded strategy incorporating military, diplomatic, and humanitarian efforts while exploring the history of organized crime and its implications for U.S. national security.