In this conversation, Andrew Sage, a cultural analyst, joins to explore the fascinating ways the world can be divided, examining historical and contemporary perspectives. They tackle the binaries of civilization versus barbarism, critiquing how these narratives shape global perceptions. The discussion ranges from the historical context of nationalism to the implications of Cold War classifications. They also delve into the complexities of colonialism and its ongoing impact on migration and socio-economic disparities, urging a reevaluation of societal divisions.