Anastasia Lepatina is a Ukrainian journalist at Lawfare, while David Rennie is the geopolitics editor at The Economist, and Edward Fishman teaches at Columbia University. They discuss the shifting nature of U.S.-Ukraine relations amid changing political winds, particularly under Trump. The impact of sanctions on Russia's economy is dissected, as well as Ukraine's urgent quest for security. The episode also critiques recent diplomatic meetings that excluded Ukraine, emphasizing the need for Ukrainian sovereignty and unity against ongoing threats.