Madeleine Chapman, Editor of The Spinoff, and Amber Easby, its CEO, discuss the organization's critical challenges stemming from a stagnant ad market and reduced public funding. They highlight the need for community support through a membership model to sustain journalistic integrity. The conversation dives into the impacts of financial struggles on content creation, alongside encouraging audience engagement as a solution. Personal experiences and evolving media landscapes are shared, emphasizing a hopeful connection with the audience for future resilience.