Alvaro, CEO of Orb, discusses the evolution of billing as an infrastructure problem, from traditional seat-based to usage-based models. They explore how modern pricing trends are impacting sales strategies and the importance of aligning billing infrastructure with growth goals. The podcast also delves into the challenges of transitioning to dynamic billing systems to support evolving pricing models.

Alvaro, guest on the podcast, discusses the idiom 'to paper over the cracks' and its meaning of superficially fixing problems without addressing the underlying issues. Examples from Obama's presidency and cosmetic repairs in a house are explored.