Alison Gopnik

Join Alison Gopnik, a child development expert from UC Berkeley, and John Krakauer, a neurology scholar at Johns Hopkins, as they delve into the fascinating nature of intelligence. They explore how infants learn through experimentation and establish causal connections, contrasting this with AI's capabilities. The discussion highlights the importance of common sense and metacognition in shaping human understanding. They also examine the boundaries of emotional and physical pain, revealing the complexities that AI still struggles to grasp.

In this engaging conversation, Alison Gopnik, a professor at UC Berkeley and expert in child development, reveals the unique cognitive abilities of children compared to adults. She suggests that kids are natural explorers, fostering creativity through curiosity. Gopnik discusses the implications for AI, emphasizing how understanding childhood thinking can innovate machine learning. The dialogue touches on the roles of caregivers, social learning, and the significance of early cognitive milestones, painting a rich picture of how human intelligence evolves.

Humans have an unusually long childhood — and an unusually long elderhood past the age of reproductive activity. Why do we spend so much time playing and exploring, caregiving and reflecting, learning and transmitting? What were the evolutionary circumstances that led to our unique life history among the primates? What use is the undisciplined child brain with its tendencies to drift, scatter, and explore in a world that adults understand in such very different terms? And what can we transpose from the study of human cognition as a developmental, stage-      wise process to the refinement and application of machine learning technologies?Welcome to COMPLEXITY, the official podcast of the Santa Fe Institute. I’m your host, Michael Garfield, and every other week we’ll bring you with us for far-ranging conversations with our worldwide network of rigorous researchers developing new frameworks to explain the deepest mysteries of the universe.This week we talk to SFI External Professor Alison Gopnik, Professor of Psychology and Affiliate Professor of Philosophy at the University of California Berkeley, author of numerous books on psych, cognitive science, childhood development. She writes a column at The Wall Street Journal, alternating with Robert Sapolsky. Slate said that Gopnik is “where to go if you want to get into the head of a baby.” In our conversation we discuss the tension between exploration and exploitation, the curious evolutionary origins of human cognition, the value of old age, and she provides a sober counterpoint about life in the age of large language machine learning models.Be sure to check out our extensive show notes with links to all our references at complexity.simplecast.com. If you value our research and communication efforts, please subscribe, rate and review us at Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and consider making a donation — or finding other ways to engage with us at santafe.edu/engage.Lastly, we have a bevy of summer programs coming up! Join us June 19-23 for Collective Intelligence: Foundations + Radical Ideas, a first-ever event open to both academics and professionals, with sessions on adaptive matter, animal groups, brains, AI, teams, and more.  Space is limited! Apps close February 1st.OR Apply to participate in the Complex Systems Summer School.OR the Graduate Workshop on Complexity in Social Science.OR the Complexity GAINS UK program for PhD students.Thank you for listening!Join our Facebook discussion group to meet like minds and talk about each episode.Podcast theme music by Mitch Mignano.Follow us on social media:Twitter • YouTube • Facebook • Instagram • LinkedInMentioned & Related Links:Alison Gopnik at WikipediaAlison Gopnik’s Google Scholar pageExplanation as Orgasmby Alison GopnikTwitter thread for Gopnik’s latest SFI Seminar on machine learning and child developmentChanges in cognitive flexibility and hypothesis search across human life history from childhood to adolescence to adulthoodby Gopnik et al.Pretense, Counterfactuals, and Bayesian Causal Models: Why What Is Not Real Really Mattersby Deena Weisberg & Alison GopnikChildhood as a solution to explore–exploit tensionsby Alison GopnikThe Origins of Common Sense in Humans and Machinesby Kevin A Smith, Eliza Kosoy, Alison Gopnik, Deepak Pathak, Alan Fern, Joshua B Tenenbaum, & Tomer UllmanWhat Does “Mind-Wandering” Mean to the Folk? An Empirical Investigationby Zachary C. Irving, Aaron Glasser, Alison Gopnik, Verity Pinter, Chandra SripadaModels of Human Scientific Discoveryby Robert Goldstone, Alison Gopnik, Paul Thagard, Tomer UllmanLove Lets Us Learn: Psychological Science Makes the Case for Policies That Help Childrenby Alison Gopnik at APSOur Favorite New Things Are the Old Onesby Alison Gopnik at The Wall Street JournalAn exchange of letters on the role of noise in collective intelligenceby Daniel Kahneman, David Krakauer, Olivier Sibony, Cass Sunstein, & David Wolpert#DEVOBIAS2018 on SFI TwitterCoarse-graining as a downward causation mechanismby Jessica FlackComplexity 90: Caleb Scharf on The Ascent of Information: Life in The Human DataomeComplexity 15: R. Maria del-Rio Chanona on Modeling Labor Markets & Tech UnemploymentLearning through the grapevine and the impact of the breadth and depth of social networksby Matthew Jackson, Suraj Malladi, & David McAdamsThe coming battle for the COVID-19 narrativeby Wendy Carlin & Sam BowlesComplexity 83: Eric Beinhocker & Diane Coyle on Rethinking Economics for A Sustainable & Prosperous WorldComplexity 97: Glen Weyl & Cris Moore on Plurality, Governance, and Decentralized SocietyDerek Thompson at The Atlantic on the forces slowing innovation at scale (citing Chu & Evans)

Developmental psychologist Alison Gopnik discusses how children's exploratory approach to problem-solving can inspire adults to tap into their creative potential. The conversation delves into the importance of fostering creativity in children, emphasizing a nurturing and diverse parenting style over rigidity. Insightful examples highlight the profound observations children make about relationships and the benefits of a more relaxed and integrative approach to parenting.

Filmmaker Jay Shapiro has produced a new series of audio documentaries, exploring the major topics that Sam has focused on over the course of his career. Each episode weaves together original analysis, critical perspective, and novel thought experiments with some of the most compelling exchanges from the Making Sense archive. Whether you are new to a particular topic, or think you have your mind made up about it, we think you’ll find this series fascinating. And make sure to stick around for the end of each episode, where we provide our list of recommendations from the worlds of film, television, literature, music, and art.   In this episode, we explore the landscape of Artificial Intelligence. We’ll listen in on Sam’s conversation with decision theorist and artificial-intelligence researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky, as we consider the potential dangers of AI — including the control problem and the value-alignment problem — as well as the concepts of Artificial General Intelligence, Narrow Artificial Intelligence, and Artificial Super Intelligence. We’ll then be introduced to philosopher Nick Bostrom’s “Genies, Sovereigns, Oracles, and Tools,” as physicist Max Tegmark outlines just how careful we need to be as we travel down the AI path. Computer scientist Stuart Russell will then dig deeper into the value-alignment problem and explain its importance. We’ll hear from former Google CEO Eric Schmidt about the geopolitical realities of AI terrorism and weaponization. We’ll then touch the topic of consciousness as Sam and psychologist Paul Bloom turn the conversation to the ethical and psychological complexities of living alongside humanlike AI. Psychologist Alison Gopnik then reframes the general concept of intelligence to help us wonder if the kinds of systems we’re building using “Deep Learning” are really marching us towards our super-intelligent overlords. Finally, physicist David Deutsch will argue that many value-alignment fears about AI are based on a fundamental misunderstanding about how knowledge actually grows in this universe.

In this engaging discussion, Alison Gopnik, a UC Berkeley professor known for her work in psychology and philosophy, delves into how children learn about the world through causal inference. She reveals how kids' exploration mirrors the scientific method, highlighting parallels between their learning and advancements in AI. Gopnik emphasizes the importance of understanding complex causal relationships and encourages using insights from children's learning to improve machine learning models and address social biases in AI design.

Alison Gopnik, a professor of psychology and philosophy at UC Berkeley, explores the complexities of love and connection. She discusses how emotional care shapes society, offering insights into children's creativity versus adult efficiency. Gopnik contrasts 'gardener' and 'carpenter' parenting styles, emphasizing nurturing over rigidity. She also dives into the evolving roles of caregivers and the importance of diverse family structures. The conversation challenges traditional notions of education, advocating for environments that foster exploration and genuine connections.

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Alison Gopnik, a professor at UC Berkeley and renowned expert in cognitive science, shares insights on nurturing childhood wonder. She likens caregiving to gardening, emphasizing the importance of diverse experiences for cognitive growth. Gopnik discusses how children's unique perception fosters curiosity and resilience, contrasting it with adult cognitive limitations. The conversation also highlights modern parenting's evolution and the need for emotional connections over transactional relationships, enriching our understanding of childhood development.

Psychologist Alison Gopnik discusses how babies are smarter than we think, and why we lose cognitive flexibility as we grow. The podcast also covers a study on cells having different DNA, and the issue of Ph.D. graduates struggling to find jobs. Explore the brilliance of babies, the complexity of DNA, and the challenges faced by highly educated individuals in the job market.

Alison Gopnik, a psychology professor, discusses parenting as a gardener vs. carpenter, emphasizing natural nurturing. They explore diverse caregiving approaches, sibling dynamics, and adapting to children's temperaments. The importance of intimate caregiving relationships and societal implications are highlighted. Practical solutions for supporting families and promoting language diversity are also discussed, along with the balance between personal relationships and civic responsibilities.