In this engaging conversation, Matt Chandler, a senior pastor and notable evangelical leader, teams up with Adam Smith, co-founder of The Forging Table. They share gripping insights on faith and cultural engagement, debating young vs. old earth theories from Genesis. Matt opens up about his public controversy and the impactful humility it brought, while they explore how jiu-jitsu serves as a unique avenue for discipleship. Expect humorous banter on hunting and favorite films, all wrapped around the theme of forging strong, convictional men.