In this engaging conversation, political scientist Aaron Good reflects on his book, examining the troubling relationship between U.S. foreign policy and American exceptionalism. He discusses how the deep state has shaped major political events and the erosion of democracy. Good critiques the increasing concentration of power among elites and the historical ties of U.S. intelligence to controversial figures. The dialogue raises critical questions about restoring true democratic governance in a world driven by covert interests.

Aaron Good, a political scientist and author of 'American Exception: Hegemony and the Tripartite State,' dives into the concept of the deep state and its impact on U.S. politics. He explains how perceptions of the deep state have been skewed by the right. The conversation touches on its influence in the 2024 elections, especially regarding Democratic candidates and their policies. Good even humorously questions whether embracing an MFA for insurance might be a viable path for those disillusioned by politics.