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Lawfare Daily: Pablo Chavez on Digital Solidarity

May 17, 2024

Pablo Chavez discusses the concept of digital solidarity as an alternative to digital sovereignty policies, exploring policies falling under digital sovereignty, the evolution of the term, and the State Department's strategy. The conversation delves into the importance of personal data privacy, online therapy services, AI sovereignty, and information control, as well as the complexities of AI sovereignty with examples from France and Australia.

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Quick takeaways

Digital Solidarity promotes inclusive international cyber diplomacy as an alternative to Digital Sovereignty's strict control approach.

The State Department's strategy emphasizes cooperation to bridge global perspectives on digital governance challenges.

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Digital Sovereignty vs. Digital Solidarity

Digital Sovereignty, championed by countries like China, advocates for strict control over digital domains, promoting censorship and restricting free information flow. In contrast, the US State Department's strategy introduces Digital Solidarity, focusing on international cyber diplomacy with a more inclusive approach. This new strategy aims to find a middle ground between the free and open internet promoted by the US and the strict control model of China, aligning with European countries adopting digital sovereignty concepts.

Introduction

2min

Digital Sovereignty vs. Digital Solidarity in International Cyber Policy

19min

Navigating the Complexities of Digital Solidarity and Sovereignty in International Relations

4min

Privacy Protection and Online Therapy Services

5min

AI Sovereignty and Information Control

7min

Navigating AI Sovereignty and Digital Solidarity

15min

Collaboration with Brookings Institution, Supporter Benefits, and Baker's Grocery Ad

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The recently released International Cyberspace and Digital Strategy focuses on building digital solidarity as an alternative to digital sovereignty policies. Lawfare's Fellow in Technology Policy and Law, Eugenia Lostri, spoke with Pablo Chavez, Adjunct Senior Fellow with the Center for a New American Security’s Technology and National Security Program. Pablo first promoted the idea of digital solidarity in a Lawfare article in 2022. They talked about the range of policies that can fall under the digital sovereignty category, how digital solidarity offers an alternative position, and the evolution of the term from his 2022 article to the international strategy.

The article Eugenia and Pablo reference in their conversation is “Defending the ‘S Word’: The Language of Digital Sovereignty Can be a Tool of Empowerment,” by Arindrajit Basu.

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