The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

422: Darnell Epps—Where There’s a Pulse There’s a Purpose

Jan 21, 2025
Darnell Epps, founder and CEO of Thurgood Industries, shares his incredible journey from public housing to Yale Law School and entrepreneurship after serving 17 years in prison. He discusses the importance of bridging the skills gap in America and advocates for vocational careers, emphasizing community-building in trades. Darnell reflects on personal accountability, the impacts of supportive relationships during difficult times, and his mission to connect underserved individuals with job opportunities in skilled trades, showcasing the power of resilience and education.
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Darnell's Prison Sentence Story

  • Darnell Epps and his brother ended up in prison for 17 and a half years due to a violent incident triggered by defending his brother's pregnant wife.
  • Despite not physically committing the act, Darnell was charged as an accessory and sentenced to the same term.
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Jailhouse Lawyer Journey

  • Darnell became a self-taught jailhouse lawyer and law clerk inside Five Points Correctional Facility.
  • He spent over a decade helping fellow inmates with legal briefs and post-conviction motions, gaining mastery of complex law independently.
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Rehabilitation Through Service and Advocacy

  • Darnell and his brother led prison programs helping at-risk youth avoid incarceration.
  • He used legal skills to help exonerate wrongfully convicted inmates, exemplifying rehabilitation through service.
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