Calling all perfectionists and Type-A folks (and those who are intrigued by them): This enlightening episode is for you! With co-hosts Sarah Bowen Shea and Coach Liz Waterstraat, guest Erin Ayala, Ph.D., a sport psychologist and endurance athlete, talks about:

-the difference between being a diligent athlete and a perfectionist;

-the double-edged sword of upholding super-high standards;

-the benefits of letting go, even in a race;

-balancing ambition + striving with gratitude; and,

-acknowledging a workout or race sucked!

The host duo compares notes about rock concerts they’ve attending (a Phish v. REM smackdown!) before the guest joins around 8:43. Play-along: Chug GU Hydration every time the guest says, “adaptive!” Miles of Books, at the episode’s end, continues the conversation re: perfectionism with this book.

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A Sport Psychologist on Perfectionism + Runners