Ashley was running for mayor of the city of Fresno, CA. Paul was leading a group that was starting a new evangelical church. Why did they feel like such a bad fit in an evangelical religion growing evermore extreme and evermore political?

Listen as Paul and Ashley share of the journey, including sitting at a table at the National Prayer Breakfast with Ted Cruz AND Nancy Pelosi and being invited to a supremely cringey meeting with Doug Coe, leader of the infamous "Family," a secretive Christian group operating in Washington D.C.