

Evangelicalish
Evangelicalish
Weekly Livestreams on YouTube on Wed nights at 9pm Eastern/6pm Pacific with hosts Ashley Swearengin and @UnconventionalPastorPaul, Paul Swearengin. She served as mayor of a city, Paul was an evangelical pastor. Together, they were deep in the middle of the rise of Christian nationalism.
Come join us as we discussing a spirituality that reaches beyond the walls of a church building and connects deconstructing people of faith to a renewed identity and a beautiful connection to divine love and goodness. We would love you to join us so we can all grow together in community.
Come join us as we discussing a spirituality that reaches beyond the walls of a church building and connects deconstructing people of faith to a renewed identity and a beautiful connection to divine love and goodness. We would love you to join us so we can all grow together in community.
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Nov 23, 2025 • 55min
The UpsideDown: If MTG Can Change: Can MAGA Christians Repent?
The world is now the UPSIDE DOWN! On this episode, Paul & Ashley look into a world of "Stranger Things," — where Marjorie Taylor Greene apologizes on CNN, renounces Trump, admits there’s no “4-D chess,” and says she’s leaving Congress because she can’t help people from inside the chaos.
Is this real change? A political shift? A crack in the MAGA universe?
And the big question: CAN MAGA REPENT?!
Could MAGA Christians hear this and actually reconsider their loyalty to Trump, Republican extremism, and MAGA evangelicalism?
We explore:
✨ Repentance as a change of mind, not a magic prayer
✨ Nicodemus, Zaccheus, and biblical examples of unexpected transformation
✨ Why some hearts soften… while others harden
✨ Whether MTG could become the wake-up call no one expected
Join the conversation; step with us into the Upside Down and see if Stranger Things can happen.
#Evangelicalish #ReligiousRightReligiouslyWrong #postevangelical #UnconventionalPastor #GodIsNOTmadAtYou #MindRenewal #Rethink @UnconventionalPastorPaul #WellBeing #Deconstruction #reconstruction 🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Nov 12, 2025 • 1h 8min
Separation of Church and... Hate? A Conversation with John Fugelsang
Find John Fugelsang:'Why should I listen to Trump … and reject the words of Jesus?' asks actor and comedian John Fugelsang - Best Selling Book: Separation of Church and Hate
🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!Connect with Us:Join Pastor Paul's Substack Community: Sacred RebellionCheck out Paul’s international blog with the anti-empire group The Quollective 📲 Follow Evangelicalish:Instagram | TikTok | YouTubePaul's Blog on The Quollective Blog Site 🎧 Subscribe & Review:Help us reach others by subscribing, rating, and leaving a review wherever you listen. 💛 Support our work: ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteBuy Paul’s Book: Religious Right Religiously Wrong: A Modern Day Parable 🌐 More from Paul & Ashley:ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteEvangelicalish Livestream Sundays at 9am PTThank you for being part of this growing, healing, irreverent, and hopeful community. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oct 20, 2025 • 1h 9min
🎙️ Flex Your Spiritual Inspo 🕊️ A Sacred Show-and-Tell of the Soul
🎙️ Flex Your Spiritual Inspo
🕊️ A Sacred Show-and-Tell of the Soul
Description:
In a world where deconstruction often centers what we no longer believe, this episode flips the script. What’s still inspiring your spirit? What stirs your soul awake in this season of life?
Ashley and Paul (aka Unconventional Pastor Paul) invite each other—and you—to “flex your spiritual inspo.” Whether it’s a quote, a ritual, a verse, a song, a breeze, a beetle, or a full-on mystical experience, it counts. We’re sharing what’s nourishing us spiritually today and asking you to do the same. Deconstruction doesn't mean disconnection. Let's reconnect with wonder, beauty, and sacred breadcrumbs.
Come as you are—curious, skeptical, mystical, or all three—and bring your own sacred inspiration to the table.
🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Oct 20, 2025 • 1h 2min
🌀 Bad Bunny & a Showgirl or The World Is On Fire 🔥 Can We Put it Out
🌀 Bad Bunny & a Showgirl or The World Is On Fire 🔥 Can We Put it Out
This week’s episode of Evangelicalish is a blend of light-hearted banter and serious spiritual reflection. Paul and Ashley couldn’t agree on a title—so we gave you both.
Ashley returns inspired from a civic engagement summit and makes the case that democracy is a spiritual practice. Paul’s not so sure our systems can heal without collapse. (Is the world on fire, or are we the fire?)
Also:
👗 Who’s the showgirl and who’s the bunny?
🎯 Crystal Ball obliterates Tomi Lahren
💔 Paul gets flipped off by a Trump truck guy
🛍️ Paul went birthday shopping
#evangelicalish #deconstruction #exvangelical #politicsandfaith #spiritualbutnotsilent #badbunny #showgirlenergy #burnitdown #democracyisaspiritualpractice 🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Oct 20, 2025 • 1h 1min
The Meaning of Life... and Other Light Topics: Evangelicalish
🎙️ The Meaning of Life... and Other Light Topics
This week, we wade into the deep end of existence with a deceptively simple question: What’s the meaning of life? Inspired by a fascinating dialogue between an agnostic philosopher, a Christian apologist, and a Hindu psychologist, we explore how purpose is shaped by belief, culture, and consciousness itself.
We’ll wrestle with the “Paper Clip Problem” — can a person live a good, fulfilling life doing something seemingly mundane, like making paperclips every day? What makes meaning real: passion, purpose, or presence?
Join us for laughter, insight, and a few existential detours as we ask: What if meaning isn’t something we find, but something we make — moment by moment, like a thousand tiny paperclips holding our lives together. 🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Join Pastor Paul's Substack Community: Sacred Rebellion
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Oct 20, 2025 • 59min
Does the Bible Really Say That? A Chat w/ Bible Scholar Dan McClellen
We’re diving deep into the Bible with none other than Dan McClellan — biblical scholar, content creator, and myth-busting machine.
📜 We ask Dan about:
Charlie Kirk and Kirk's take on issues like homosexuality
Modern-day Israel? (Is Marjorie Taylor Greene… actually right about something?)
The “I will bless those who bless you” verse — does it really apply to the nation-state of Israel today?
👀 Plus, why Dan started posting online, how he deals with backlash, and what keeps him committed to biblical literacy in the age of misinformation.
Bring your big questions. Bring your open mind. This is gonna be a good one.
🔔 Set your reminder — we’re live at 12pm PT / 3pm ET!
📺 YouTube | 🎧 Podcast feed afterward
#Evangelicalish #DanMcClellan #BibleScholar #ChristianNationalism #BiblicalLiteracy #QueerTheology #Deconstruction #SacredRebellion 🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Sep 1, 2025 • 1h 1min
My Joy is Your Pain? Navigating Wellbeing in a relationship
Hey beloveds—This week, everything we’re sharing centers around one raw, holy truth:Sometimes, on your emotional wellness journey, your joy will look like betrayal to the people closest to you.Maybe it’s your mother.Maybe it’s your church.Maybe it’s a friend who only knew how to love the broken version of you.But your joy—if it came through grief, healing, and becoming—is not selfish. It’s sacred.In this episode, Paul and Ashley go deep and raw into the emotional and spiritual tension that arises when your growth, your peace, your joy—hurts someone you love.We talk about:What it means when Jesus refused to go to his mother, MaryThe emotional toll of becoming someone your people don’t recognizeWhy your sacred yes may sound like a violent no to someone else⚠️ Content Note:This episode includes discussion of trauma and suicidal ideation. Please care for your well-being as you listen.If you're in a vulnerable place, consider pausing, checking in with a friend, therapist, or someone you trust. You’re not alone.📞 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline – Call or text anytime (USA)📺 Watch the full episode on YouTube:👉 https://youtu.be/Ozch9uEqtF8🖊️ Read the related Substack essay:When Your Joy Is Someone Else’s Tragedy👉 📺 CBS Affiliate Ch.47 Story. Watch it here📬 Want more? Subscribe to Sacred Rebellion on Substack for deeper reflections, weekly blessings, and sacred disruptions:👉 unconventionalpastorpaul.substack.com
🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!Connect with Us:Join Pastor Paul's Substack Community: Sacred RebellionCheck out Paul’s international blog with the anti-empire group The Quollective 📲 Follow Evangelicalish:Instagram | TikTok | YouTubePaul's Blog on The Quollective Blog Site 🎧 Subscribe & Review:Help us reach others by subscribing, rating, and leaving a review wherever you listen. 💛 Support our work: ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteBuy Paul’s Book: Religious Right Religiously Wrong: A Modern Day Parable 🌐 More from Paul & Ashley:ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteEvangelicalish Livestream Sundays at 9am PTThank you for being part of this growing, healing, irreverent, and hopeful community. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Aug 10, 2025 • 1h 9min
Just Because You Say “No Offense” Doesn’t Mean You’re Not Offensive
Just Because You Say “No Offense” Doesn’t Mean You’re Not Offensive
We’ve all heard it — and maybe even said it: “No offense…” before dropping a comment that’s, well… offensive. In this episode, we unpack why slapping “no offense” in front of a statement doesn’t make it harmless, how it’s often used to dodge accountability, and why words matter more than the disclaimers we attach to them.
From church small talk to political debates, we explore how this phrase shows up, the damage it can do, and how to replace it with honesty, empathy, and actual respect.
🎧 Listen in and let’s talk about better ways to speak the truth without causing unnecessary harm.
#NoOffense #WordsMatter #SacredRebellion #ChristianDeconstruction #LGBTQVoices #SpiritualAbuseRecovery #FaithDeconstruction #BoundariesMatter #PodcastEpisode #TruthInLove 🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!
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Evangelicalish Livestream Sundays at 9am PT
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Jul 29, 2025 • 1h 1min
Media Ups and Meltdowns: A Week of Reckoning with a Trumpian World
🎧 Listen + Subscribe:YouTube | Apple Podcasts | SpotifyLinktree💬 This Week’s Topics:Trump’s grip on media slips as he continues to bungle the Epstein issueSocial Media a problem for childrenThe online incel world is impacting children - something needs to be done.Why spiritual reconstruction demands media literacyHow faith, justice, and power intersect in the digital age🔗 Mentioned in this episode:Pastor Paul’s Substack: [Insert link]Paul's Latest Blog on the Quollective: It Always Starts With Erasure: History’s Teachings on Queer Demonization (& Queer Survival)South Park on TrumpJon Stewart - Go F*YourselfThe Louisville Leopards Percussionists playing Ozzy Osbourne's "Crazy Train" *AMAZING*🧠 Let’s Keep the Conversation Going:Follow us @evangelicalish on Instagram, Threads, and TikTokJoin our livestream Sundays at 9am PT on YouTubeLeave a review if this episode challenged or inspired you 🙌
🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!Connect with Us:Join Pastor Paul's Substack Community: Sacred RebellionCheck out Paul’s international blog with the anti-empire group The Quollective 📲 Follow Evangelicalish:Instagram | TikTok | YouTubePaul's Blog on The Quollective Blog Site 🎧 Subscribe & Review:Help us reach others by subscribing, rating, and leaving a review wherever you listen. 💛 Support our work: ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteBuy Paul’s Book: Religious Right Religiously Wrong: A Modern Day Parable 🌐 More from Paul & Ashley:ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteEvangelicalish Livestream Sundays at 9am PTThank you for being part of this growing, healing, irreverent, and hopeful community. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jul 20, 2025 • 1h 4min
Why Did We Escape Christian Nationalism?
In this episode of Evangelicalish, we get personal about our own journeys out of Christian Nationalism — and the moments that cracked open our certainty.We’ll talk about:⚡ Why some people stay trapped in toxic systems while others break free⚡ The emotional, spiritual, and political cost of questioning⚡ How small acts of curiosity can unravel decades of indoctrination⚡ What it means to walk in Sacred Rebellion after faith deconstructionWe know how disorienting it can be to realize the faith you inherited was more about power than love. We’ve been there. And we’re here to remind you:You’re not alone. You’re not crazy. And thinking is not a sin.
🎧 Thank you for listening to Evangelicalish!Connect with Us:Join Pastor Paul's Substack Community: Sacred RebellionCheck out Paul’s international blog with the anti-empire group The Quollective 📲 Follow Evangelicalish:Instagram | TikTok | YouTubePaul's Blog on The Quollective Blog Site 🎧 Subscribe & Review:Help us reach others by subscribing, rating, and leaving a review wherever you listen. 💛 Support our work: ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteBuy Paul’s Book: Religious Right Religiously Wrong: A Modern Day Parable 🌐 More from Paul & Ashley:ISH/Pastor-Paul WebsiteEvangelicalish Livestream Sundays at 9am PTThank you for being part of this growing, healing, irreverent, and hopeful community. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


