Robert Gilman is the physicist turned philosopher who dedicated his life to the intersection of inner and outer development. He is the founder of Bright Future Now and Bright future network (to find out more). Robert was the resident philosopher at the STOA in the end of 2021 and is a frequent voice in sensemaking circles. The conversation ranged from understanding our current moment, to trauma and to how we can use an understanding of (our own) psychodynamics to become more efficient change makers and community builders. We discuss the challenges we face and we get a glimmer of hope when considering phase shifts and exponential processes. Host: Amit Paul