Boris Johnson has talked frequently about levelling up the UK economy – bringing the wealth of the more deprived areas so they are closer to the wealth of the more affluent areas, without the affluent folks having to pay for it. This week, Phil Dobbie asks Steve Keen whether that’s possible, or do you have to level down – take some of the wealth from the high earners to distribute to the more deprived regions? They discuss growth poles, carrot and stick measures and the importance of minimum wage and local council funding. The answer for Boris is in this podcast, let’s hope Dominic gives it a listen.

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