Author and journalist Erik Davis talks with host Michael Taft about the power of partaking in the forbidden, psychedelics becoming normalized, Tantric and Christian modes of transgression, power relationships and the guru, hedonism, rule-breaking, desire for safe spiritual practice environments, the role of risk in spiritual development, the medium of blotter paper and its connection to LSD, the concept of transgression in Hindu society, adapting meditation traditions to the modern West, complexities of contemporary spirituality, symbolic organizing of chaos and anomalies, the power of taboos in society, and exploring tantric spirituality.
Transgression in spiritual practice can provide individuals with transformation and secret knowledge.
Societal taboos shape individual experiences and social norms, with anomalies offering opportunities for personal and spiritual growth.
Power dynamics in psychedelic therapy and spiritual practice need to be recognized and mitigated to ensure informed consent and agency for participants.
Deep dives
Transgression and the Loss of the Underground
The podcast episode explores the concept of transgression and its significance in spirituality, psychedelic experiences, and society. It begins by discussing the changing landscape of taboo and how as society becomes more permissive, certain experiences lose their sense of forbiddenness and become mundane. The episode highlights the role of transgression in spiritual practice, particularly in traditions like Tantra, where breaking social taboos is seen as a way to break free from societal constraints and access higher states of consciousness. The conversation delves into the psychological power and initiatory character of transgression, discussing how it provides individuals with a sense of transformation and secret knowledge. It also explores the risks and challenges associated with the shift from underground practices to mainstream acceptance, such as abuse of power and the loss of the sacred. The podcast emphasizes the need for mature and balanced approaches to transgression, highlighting the importance of informed consent, power dynamics, and peer-to-peer relationships rather than traditional guru-disciple dynamics or guide-centered models.
Taboos, Symbols, and Social Constructs
The podcast episode delves into the anthropological perspective on taboos and social constructs of purity and danger. Drawing on the work of Mary Douglas, the episode explores how different societies create symbolic systems to organize what is considered 'dirt' or 'matter out of place.' It highlights the power of societal taboos in shaping individual experiences and social norms, such as restrictions on meat consumption or sexual behavior. The conversation expands to discuss the concept of anomalies or the anomalous, which refers to experiences or objects that defy societal norms or expectations. The discussion touches upon the role of anomalies in spirituality and psychedelic experiences, as they can provide individuals with a sense of the sacred and a break from everyday reality. The episode emphasizes the complexity of navigating societal taboos and the need for a nuanced understanding of the power dynamics and transformative potential associated with transgressive experiences.
The Role of Guides and Power Dynamics in Psychedelic Experiences
The podcast episode explores the role of guides and power dynamics in psychedelic experiences, particularly in the context of psychedelic therapy. It discusses how the presence of a guide or therapist is often seen as crucial for providing safety, guidance, and expertise during the session. However, it also emphasizes the potential risks and challenges associated with power imbalances and abuse within these relationships. The conversation delves into the parallels between guru-disciple dynamics in spiritual practice and the hierarchical dynamics between guides and participants in psychedelic therapy. It raises important questions about trust, informed consent, and the importance of recognizing and mitigating power differentials. The episode advocates for a shift towards a friend or peer-to-peer model, where power dynamics are minimized, risks are openly acknowledged, and participants have agency and autonomy in their psychedelic journeys.
The Role of Risk in Spiritual Practice and Development
One key point explored in the podcast is the importance of risk in spiritual practice and development. The speaker highlights that while contemporary culture prioritizes safety and control, there is a paradoxical need for risk in spirituality. Risk allows for transformative experiences and initiatory power. The speaker acknowledges the complexity of balancing risk and safety, recognizing the need for rules and precautions to prevent harm, but also acknowledging that some level of risk is necessary to access the spiritual benefits that come with pushing boundaries and embracing the unknown.
Taboos, Anomalies, and Spiritual Power
Another main idea discussed in the podcast is the relationship between taboos, anomalies, and spiritual power. The speaker explains that anomalies, things that do not fit within established frameworks or societal norms, often hold a sacred and transformative quality. This pertains to phenomena like extreme sports, paranormal experiences, and even taboo topics in contemporary society. Embracing the anomalies can open up larger dimensions and challenge conventional understandings. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing and embracing these anomalies, as they offer opportunities for personal and spiritual growth.
Host Michael Taft speaks with author and journalist Erik Davis about the power of partaking in the forbidden and the loss when formerly forbidden things become normalized, particularly in the case of psychedelics; Tantric and Christian modes of transgression, power relationships and the guru, hedonism, rule-breaking, the desire for having safe spiritual practice environments, and the role of risk in spiritual development.
Erik Davis is an author, podcaster, award-winning journalist, and popular speaker based in San Francisco. He is probably best known for his book TechGnosis a cult classic of visionary media studies that investigates how our fascination with technology intersects with the religious imagination. Erik’s most recent book is High Weirdness: Drugs, Esoterica, and Visionary Experience in the Seventies. Erik is also a long-term practitioner of meditation, particularly in the Zen tradition.