Val McDermid, a best-selling crime writer, joins Dr. Eleanor Janega to uncover the truths behind Shakespeare's Lady Macbeth. They highlight how Shakespeare's portrayal distorts the real Queen Macbeth, revealing her noble lineage and political acumen. The conversation shifts to the often-overlooked role women played in historical power dynamics, emphasizing diplomacy over aggression. They also discuss the intriguing political landscape of 11th century Scotland and reflect on the perpetual influence of storytelling in shaping historical narratives.
Val McDermid reveals Lady Macbeth as a significant historical figure, whose leadership and support network challenge Shakespeare's portrayal of her as a villain.
The podcast emphasizes the theme of female solidarity, highlighting how Lady Macbeth's companions contributed to her strength in a patriarchal society.
Deep dives
The Historical Lady Macbeth
Lady Macbeth, often portrayed as a villainous character in Shakespeare's play, was actually a significant historical figure marred by patriarchal biases. Val McDermid's novella, 'Queen Macbeth,' aims to reveal a more nuanced understanding of her life, positioning her amidst the tumult of political intrigue rather than as a mere conspirator. McDermid argues that the real Lady Macbeth was a strong, capable leader who played an essential role in the governance of her kingdom, contrasting sharply with the distorted image presented by Shakespeare. Through extensive research, McDermid provides a narrative where Lady Macbeth navigates the brutal landscape of medieval politics, revealing her complexity as a character who was more than just a power-hungry manipulator.
Reassessing Macbeth's Rule
Contrary to the popular belief perpetuated by Shakespeare, Macbeth ruled Scotland for 17 years, indicating a stable and respected administration. Evidence suggests that he and Lady Macbeth received support from their subjects, highlighting their effectiveness as leaders rather than tyrants. This long reign demonstrates that they were not overthrown from within their kingdom, which challenges the narrative of conquest and treachery that Shakespeare crafted. By exploring the historical context, McDermid reveals how Macbeth's leadership contributed to the development of Scotland, emphasizing the importance of loyalty and governance over the violent takeover depicted in the play.
Lady Macbeth's Companions
In the novella, Lady Macbeth is depicted alongside three key companions— a healer, a weaver, and a seer—each representing essential aspects of her strength and support network. McDermid argues that these women, rather than the witches of Shakespeare's tale, provided Lady Macbeth with the knowledge and resources necessary to navigate her challenging circumstances. The integration of these supportive figures emphasizes the role of female camaraderie in historical contexts, showcasing how women complemented and assisted each other in male-dominated societies. This theme of solidarity among women is essential to understanding Lady Macbeth's character and the ways in which she wielded her influence.
A Pragmatic Approach to Power
McDermid highlights the pragmatic nature of Lady Macbeth and Macbeth’s pilgrimage to Rome, illustrating their efforts to secure political legitimacy through religious endorsement. Their journey underscores the stability of their reign, as they were able to leave a regent in charge, demonstrating confidence in their governance. This trip serves not only as a political maneuver but also as a sign of their relationship with the church—a connection necessary for maintaining power during that era. By contrasting this with Shakespeare's portrayal of treachery and chaos, McDermid reframes their legacy as one of conscious leadership and careful navigation of their circumstances.
Lady Macbeth is best known to us as Shakespeare’s scheming, sleepwalking villain. But, as with most of his so-called history plays, Shakespeare’s version of the Macbeths is largely fictional.
Dr. Eleanor Janega talks to the best-selling crime writer - and Gone Medieval fan - Val McDermid who has dragged the truth about the real Queen Macbeth out of the shadows to reveal a woman caught up in the patriarchal prejudices and vicious political intrigues of her time.
Gone Medieval is presented by Dr. Eleanor Janega. The audio editor and producer is Rob Weinberg. The senior producer is Anne-Marie Luff.
All music courtesy of Epidemic Sounds.
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