The Therapist and the Song Writer with Jill Phillips and Andy Gullahorn

Music is one of the host Steve Cuss’ favorite ways to relax into God’s presence. On this episode he welcomes two artists who help him do just that—Andy Gullahorn and Jill Phillips. A married couple in Nashville, Tennessee, both Andy and Jill are singer-songwriters. Jill also practices as a therapist and Andy has a unique healing ministry. 

The three discuss the power of songs and how the music industry has changed over time. They talk about what it means to pursue “a long obedience in the same direction,” as the late Eugene Peterson put it, and how to pursue work that is faithful and meaningful. They share practices they’d like to see uprooted in the church, as well as those they hope to see implemented. Finally, they share the experiences that generate reactivity in them and how they try to respond with gentleness and godliness. 

Resources mentioned in this episode include: 

• Andy Gullahorn
• Jill Phillips
• Lyle Lovett
• Albert Borghman
• “My City of Ruins” by Bruce Springsteen
• “The Brave One” by Andy Gullahorn
• “Grand Canyon” by Andy Gullahorn
• Justin Timberlake & Chris Stapleton, Country Music Awards, 2015
• Steven Curtis Chapman
• Long Obedience in the Same Direction: Discipleship in an Instant Society by Eugene Peterson
• The Pastor: A Memoir by Eugene Peterson
• Brad Jersak
• Celebrate Recovery
• “Died: Thomas McKenzie, Defender and Definer of Anglicanism” by Daniel Silliman

“Being Human with Steve Cuss” is a production of Christianity Today

Executive Produced by Erik Petrik and Mike Cosper

Produced and Edited by Matt Stevens

Associate Producers: McKenzie Hill, Raed Gilliam, and Abby Perry

Theme song by Dan Phelps

Original Music by Andy Gullahorn

Mix Engineer: Kevin Morris

Graphic Design: Amy Jones

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