Brené with Father Richard Rohr on Breathing Under Water, Falling Upward, and Unlearning Certainty, Part 1 of 2
Dec 14, 2022
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Brené Brown and Father Richard Rohr discuss impactful writings on spirituality, suffering, and grace. They explore Christianity's societal impact, fairnness, unlearning, and vulnerability in spirituality. The conversation also touches on grace, mercy, gratitude, and overcoming resentment, highlighting the importance of self-awareness and spiritual growth.
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Moving beyond a cult of innocence is essential for genuine transformation and healing in spirituality.
Embracing vulnerability and unlearning meritocratic approaches are vital for experiencing true spirituality and grace.
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Richard Rohr on the Role of Religion in Consciousness and Healing
Richard Rohr discusses how traditional religion, when not leading people to contemplative, mystical, non-dual consciousness, can perpetuate division and exclusion rather than healing and reconciliation. He emphasizes the importance of moving beyond a cult of innocence, which focuses on proving righteousness and blaming others, hindering genuine transformation. Rohr challenges the prevalent dualistic worldview, suggesting that true spirituality involves unlearning ingrained patterns and embracing vulnerability.
Grace, Humiliation, and Hourly Gratitude
Rohr and Brown explore the concept of grace as a form of unearned, undeserved mercy and how it can be humbling to receive such unconditional love. They delve into the power of gratitude, highlighting the significance of hourly gratitude to combat temptations of resentment and acknowledge the gratuitous nature of both evil and grace. Rohr underscores the necessity of unlearning the meritocratic approach to grace and embracing vulnerability to experience true spirituality.
Divine Parables and Cultivating Compassion
The conversation transitions to the parable of the vineyard, challenging conventional notions of fairness and merit by advocating for a grace-based, generous worldview. Rohr reflects on the transformative power of suffering and failure in spiritual growth, pointing out that true spirituality thrives in the midst of life's uncertainties and complexities. They discuss the evolution from a self-centered, ego-dominated spirituality to a more compassionate, inclusive approach that recognizes the interconnectedness of all beings.
Gender Roles, Observational Skills, and Embracing Vulnerability
Rohr and Brown touch on the gendered challenges in spiritual growth, particularly the defense mechanisms and self-sufficiency prevalent in male personas. They examine the dangers of ego protection and fragility in fostering deceit and denial, highlighting the importance of vulnerability and self-awareness in spiritual development. The conversation navigates through the nuances of judgment, observation, and the journey toward embracing authenticity and interconnectedness.
I flew to Albuquerque, New Mexico, to spend the day with Father Richard Rohr. We laughed, I cried a little, we laughed some more, and I told him why his work pisses me off sometimes. He thoroughly delighted in that last part. In Part 1 of this special two-part series recorded at the Center for Action and Contemplation, we focus on his writing in Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps and just a few of the quotes — on spirituality, suffering, gratitude, and grace — that have changed and rearranged me over the years.