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Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation
Martin - Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, & The I.D.W.
Aug 9, 2023
Renowned intellectual and psychologist Jordan Peterson and conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro are the guests on this podcast. They discuss their impact on a fan's worldview, the oversimplified chaos versus order ideology, the ineffectiveness of debate, the appeal of intellectual dominance, Jordan Peterson's beliefs on God and gender differences, changing worldviews, recognizing jokes and idiots, and the current state of affairs.
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- The appeal of figures like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro to young men can be attributed to a desire for stability and identity, but their rhetoric often promotes regressive thinking.
- Martin's transformation from a follower of Peterson and Shapiro to a critical thinker was driven by empathy and human connection, challenging his previous beliefs.
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Discovering Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro
As a teenager, Martin was drawn to the YouTube algorithm's recommendation of videos featuring Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro. He found their arguments empowering, especially as someone who had been bullied and was searching for an identity. He resonated with their belief that conservative voices were being silenced by a liberal mob, and he admired their ability to use words as weapons to dismantle their opponents intellectually. This appeal was heightened by their representation of a strong paternal figure, which Martin felt was lacking in his own life. He delved into Peterson's extensive biblical lectures, adopting a more literal interpretation of the stories and finding logical truths in them, further solidifying his connection to Peterson.
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