109 | Should We Abolish Prisons? w/ Dr. Tommie Shelby
Mar 18, 2025
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Tommie Shelby, the Caldwell Titcombe Professor of African American Studies and Philosophy at Harvard, joins the discussion with his insights on prison abolition. He explores the moral dilemmas surrounding incarceration and the societal functions prisons serve, questioning their legitimacy. Shelby delves into the distinctions between reformist and abolitionist approaches, advocating for radical transformation in social justice. The conversation weaves together critiques of the criminal justice system, historical implications, and the impact of prisons on marginalized communities.
Prison abolitionists argue that imprisonment perpetuates harm and fails to address the root causes of crime effectively.
The historical context of prisons reveals their ties to social injustices, prompting debates over their legitimacy and potential for reform.
Restorative justice offers a compassionate alternative to punishment, focusing on healing and accountability rather than solely on incarceration.
Deep dives
The Case for Prison Abolition
Prison abolitionists argue that the institution of imprisonment is inherently immoral and unjust, as it fails to address social problems effectively. They contend that prisons do not solve the underlying issues of crime and wrongdoing but instead reproduce harm and oppression, particularly within marginalized communities. Abolitionists believe that instead of reforming the prison system, society should focus on creating conditions that render prisons unnecessary or obsolete. This perspective emphasizes the need for systemic change rather than merely adjusting the current punitive measures.
Historical Context and Radical Critique
The historical link between prisons and social injustices serves as a crucial part of the argument against imprisonment, with many abolitionists drawing on insights from figures like Angela Davis. They highlight the genealogical critique, which suggests that prisons have evolved from structures of oppression and are entrenched in power dynamics that exploit marginalized populations. However, critics argue that while historical injustices inform our understanding of prisons, they do not necessarily justify their total abolition. The challenge lies in discerning whether prisons can be reformed or if they are fundamentally incompatible with a just society.
Prisons and Human Nature
Discussions around the role of prisons often touch on deeper questions of human nature and societal behavior under different conditions. Some argue that human beings are inherently prone to wrongdoing and that a mechanism for addressing this, such as imprisonment, is necessary for societal safety. However, others posit that human behavior is largely shaped by social contexts, suggesting that transformative social policies could mitigate the need for prisons. This debate raises important considerations about whether there can be effective alternatives to incarceration that align with ideals of justice and rehabilitation.
The Role of Restorative Justice
Restorative justice offers an alternative framework for addressing crime that focuses on healing victims and restoring relationships rather than punishment. Advocates argue that it provides a more humane response to wrongdoing while potentially fostering accountability in offenders. However, there are concerns about whether restorative justice can adequately prevent crime or address the systemic issues that lead to criminal behavior. By examining the potential for restorative justice within the broader context of societal reform, there is an opportunity to explore how grievances can be addressed without resorting to punitive imprisonment.
Philosophical Underpinnings of a New Justice System
The philosophical foundation of prison abolition rests on critiquing the existing paradigms that privilege punitive measures over transformative justice. This framework challenges the prevailing belief in the necessity of imprisonment, opening the door for rethinking societal responses to crime and harm. Additionally, emphasizing liberal socialism as a viable alternative to capitalist structures can redefine the conversation around justice systems. By situating prisons within broader social relations and power dynamics, it encourages a holistic approach to justice that seeks to address the root causes of crime while advocating for equitable societal changes.
In this episode, we are joined by special guest Tommie Shelby to discuss the arguments presented in his most recent book, The Idea of Prison Abolition. We talk about the social functions that prisons serve, whether any of those are legitimate, and what the differences are between radical reformist and abolitionist positions. This conversation is wide-ranging, making connections between lots of left-wing debates, from how we explain the emergence of unjust institutions to how we argue for social transformation.
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References:
Tommie Shelby, The Idea of Prison Abolition (Harvard University Press, 2022)
Tommie Shelby, Dark Ghettos: Injustice, Dissent, and Reform (Harvard University Press, 2016)
Tommie Shelby, We Who Are Dark: The Philosophical Foundations of Black Solidarity (Harvard University Press, 2005)
Music:
“Vintage Memories” by Schematist | schematist.bandcamp.com
“My Space” by Overu | https://get.slip.stream/KqmvAN
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