
Robert Wright's Nonzero China Hawks in Retreat? (Robert Wright & Kaiser Kuo)
Nov 25, 2025
Kaiser Kuo, a seasoned commentator on Chinese politics and culture, joins to discuss the evolving dynamics of U.S.-China relations. The conversation explores the history of American hawkishness towards China, particularly changes after the 2008 financial crisis. Kuo shares insights on Xi Jinping's leadership and the implications of a burgeoning China. He raises questions about the waning influence of hawkish rhetoric and how younger generations perceive China. They also delve into the complexities of domestic politics and international behavior, highlighting the shift in perspectives.
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How China Hawk Consensus Emerged
- U.S.-China hawk consensus grew gradually, peaking after the 2008 financial crisis and during Trump's first term.
- Multiple incidents (Taiwan missiles, embassy bombing, EP3) and structural shifts fueled renewed hawkishness.
Musician In China During 1999 Embassy Crisis
- Kaiser described being the only American in a Chinese band during the 1999 embassy-bombing uproar and saying "accident" on live TV.
- He became persona non grata because the audience assumed he sided with the U.S. and believed the strike was deliberate.
Tech Optimism Triggered Chinese Crackdown
- The internet-era belief that social media would democratize regimes provoked Chinese defensive moves.
- China shifted from light censorship pre-2008 Olympics to much stricter controls as internet users exploded.






