David Fideler on Seneca and Deep Stoicism (Episode 42)
May 12, 2023
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David Fideler, Stoic philosopher, explores Seneca's valuable guidance for modern living, covering topics such as mob psychology, cosmopolitanism, authenticity, confronting death, experiencing grief, cosmic gratitude, and deep vs shallow stoicism.
Deep Stoicism encourages exploration, continual learning, and making a contribution to the world.
Seneca emphasized the contagious and viral nature of emotions and character traits.
Stoicism promotes acceptance, gratitude, and moderation in grieving, emphasizing the interconnectedness of all things in the universe.
Deep dives
Deep Stoicism: Exploring the Connection Between Stoicism and the World
Deep Stoicism emphasizes making a contribution to the world and helping others by recognizing our connection to the universe. It delves into the infinite depth of the world, encouraging exploration and continual learning. Stoicism is discussed in the context of the theory and practice of philosophy. The concept of deep stoicism is explored in conversations with experts such as David Feibler. Seneca's viewpoint on mob psychology is examined, highlighting the viral and contagious nature of emotions and character traits. The importance of understanding oneself and acting consistently is emphasized. The Stoics' approach to death and grief is also discussed, promoting an acceptance and gratitude for life's experiences. Additionally, the Stoic ideas of gratitude and love are explored, with a focus on the interconnectedness of all things in the universe.
Cosmic Gratitude in Stoicism
Stoicism advocates for different forms of gratitude, including personal or civic gratitude towards others, theistic gratitude towards God or the gods, and cosmic or existential gratitude towards nature and the universe. These forms of gratitude were deeply valued by the Stoics, highlighting the appreciation for life, loved ones, and the world itself. Cosmic gratitude recognizes the interconnectedness of all things and the unity within the universe. It encompasses a sense of wonder, awe, and appreciation for the beauty and profound aspects of existence. Stoicism encourages feeling genuine sorrow and allowing grief, but also emphasizes moderation in grieving. Seneca's advice of replacing grief with happy memories and gratitude is highlighted.
Deep Stoicism vs. Flat Stoicism
Deep Stoicism delves into the profound elements of the philosophy, such as love, gratitude, interconnectedness, and the exploration of existential questions. It goes beyond surface-level techniques and life hacks, aiming to enrich lives and contribute to the betterment of the world. Deep Stoicism recognizes the complexity and depth of existence and emphasizes a broader understanding of philosophy. On the other hand, flat Stoicism tends to focus on practical techniques and quick fixes, often overlooking the deeper philosophical dimensions. While useful in their own right, these techniques may not fully capture the richness of Stoic thought. Deep Stoicism encourages a more comprehensive and profound engagement with Stoic principles.
The Importance of Understanding and Appreciating Stoic Depth
Stoic philosophy offers more than just practical techniques for coping with life's challenges. It provides an opportunity for individuals to deepen their understanding of themselves, the world, and their place in it. Deep Stoicism inspires a greater appreciation for the interconnectedness and complexity of existence. By recognizing the infinite depth of the universe, individuals can explore and learn continually. Stoicism's emphasis on love, gratitude, and cosmic connectedness enriches lives and cultivates a sense of wonder. While flat Stoicism may focus on survival and adaptation, deep Stoicism embraces the philosophy as a means to contribute to the world and develop a more profound experience of being alive.
Connecting Stoicism to the Renaissance
The Renaissance program explores the connection between Stoicism and the Renaissance, highlighting the profound influence of Stoic ideas on the Renaissance humanists. The Renaissance sought to revive ancient philosophy and culture as a means of creating a better civilization. Stoic concepts played a crucial role in shaping this intellectual and cultural movement. The ideas of achievement, transformation, and human potential, rooted in Stoicism, became central to the Renaissance mindset. The Renaissance program delves into the influence and significance of Stoicism during this transformative period in history.
In this conversation, Michael Tremblay speaks to David Fideler about Seneca. They cover how the Stoic philosopher provided valuable guidance for how to live today. David’s book Breakfast with Seneca serves as the launching point for the discussion.
(03:04) Facing the Mob
(09:06) Cosmopolitanism
(20:03) Authenticity
(24:42) Confronting Death
(29:21) Experiencing Grief
(34:25) Cosmic Gratitude
(41:28) Deep vs Shallow Stoicism
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