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Members Only #235 - To Overthrow the World: A Conversation on Communism with Sean McMeekin

Nov 17, 2024
Join Michael Moynihan as he chats with Sean McMeekin, a Bard College professor and author of 'To Overthrow the World.' They delve into the captivating history of communism, from its philosophical roots in Plato to its global consequences. McMeekin discusses the paradox of intellectuals drawn to totalitarian ideologies and the inherent coercion tied to communism. The conversation also touches on the role of communism in American politics and the complexities of McCarthyism, revealing the multifaceted nature of this controversial movement.
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  • The allure of communism for intellectuals often leads them to overlook the oppressive realities inherent in its historical implementations.
  • Although communism promises equality, its practical execution frequently necessitates violence and coercion, undermining individual freedoms in the process.

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Attraction to Totalitarian Regimes

Many intelligent individuals throughout history have found themselves drawn to the idealism of totalitarian regimes, often rationalizing their brutalities in the pursuit of a perfect society. The discussion highlights how prominent figures, such as Paul Robeson, endorsed the Soviet Union despite its oppressive nature, reflecting a broader tendency among intellectuals to believe they could navigate the moral complexities of such systems better than average citizens. There is a temptation among the well-educated to perceive themselves as superior, leading them to ignore or dismiss the oppressive realities of regimes like the Khmer Rouge or Stalinist Russia. This dynamic reveals a disturbing disconnect between intellectual reasoning and the ethical implications of supporting such governments, as the longing for societal improvement can cloud harsh truths about violence and coercion inherent in these ideologies.

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