Stoicism expert Scott Aikin defends a revisionary Stoicism. They discuss fatalism, dichotomy of control, skepticism, and determinism. They question the extent of Scott's revisions and delve into the ruin problem of Stoicism. The importance of understanding different traditions and the role of Stoic physics in grounding ethics are explored.
Stoicism can create unintentional distance in relationships due to its emphasis on impermanence and duty.
The 'ruin problem' highlights the tension between stoicism and deep, meaningful relationships.
Stoics may struggle to balance ethical duties with the emotional needs of loved ones, leading to a prioritization of duty over genuine connection.
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The Challenges of Stoicism in Relationships
Stoicism presents challenges in maintaining relationships when practicing its principles. Stoics remind themselves of the impermanence of relationships and the inevitability of loss, which can affect the way they interact with their loved ones. This can unintentionally create distance or cause a lack of presence in the relationship, as stoics focus on fulfilling their duty rather than experiencing the full depth of the relationship. Stoicism may also be seen as diminishing the value of relationships, as virtues are seen as valuable only in themselves and not for the external outcomes they produce.
The Ruin Problem and Stoicism
The 'ruin problem' is a major concern for stoicism. Stoicism's emphasis on preparing oneself for loss and embracing impermanence can impact one's relationships. Stoics may inadvertently convey a sense of detachment or emotional unavailability, which can be perceived negatively by others. Stoics may struggle to balance their ethical duties with the emotional needs and expectations of their loved ones. This problem raises questions about the compatibility of stoicism and the cultivation of deep, meaningful relationships.
The One Thought Too Many Objection
The 'one thought too many' objection, as described by philosopher Bernard Williams, applies to stoicism as well. Stoics may find themselves caught between their ethical ideals and the genuine needs of their relationships. Wrestling with thoughts of loss and impermanence in every interaction can cause stoics to prioritize duty over genuine connection, potentially eroding the trust and depth of the relationship. This objection highlights the tension between stoic ethics and the emotional dynamics necessary for healthy relationships.
The Broad Perspective of Nature
One possible solution to the challenges stoicism poses in relationships is to adopt a broader perspective of nature. By viewing oneself as playing a role within nature's context, stoics can see relationships as part of a larger picture. This perspective allows stoics to appreciate their role in the natural order, fulfilling their duties without losing sight of the value of meaningful connections. While this perspective may require a departure from traditional stoic doctrines, it can provide a more nuanced approach to relationships within a stoic framework.
The Need for a Foundational Understanding
While stoicism presents challenges in relationships, it is important to appreciate the need for a foundational understanding. Stoics must find a balance between their ethical principles and the emotional complexities of human connection. The challenges raised, such as the ruin problem and the one thought too many objection, can be navigated by reflecting on the broader nature of relationships and embracing a larger perspective. Ultimately, stoics must strive to live virtuously while also cultivating and maintaining healthy, authentic relationships.
This one is for all of you interested in Stoic theory.
In this conversation, Caleb and Scott Aikin discuss objections to Stoicism.
Scott defends a revisionary kind of Stoicism. In some places, Caleb questions how revisionary it is – is Scott just restating things the ancients solved already? In other places, Caleb questions whether it’s too revisionary to work – do we need an account of nature after all? Scott responds.
