Chatter: Pluralism and Religion within Democratic Institutions with Jonathan Rauch
Oct 5, 2023
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Jonathan Rauch, author and journalist at the Brookings Institution, discusses his books, journalism career, and focus on liberalism, Madisonian Pluralism, and religion within democratic institutions. They explore the challenges and opportunities of pluralism and religion in democratic societies, the success of Lawfare as an online platform, the relationship between evangelicalism and democracy, the shift within the white evangelical church, and the divergent responses of evangelical and Mormon communities. They also debate the best James Bond.
White evangelical Protestantism has shifted towards a MAGA mindset, jeopardizing core Christian values and liberal democracy.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Utah serves as a model of conservative Christianity embracing Madisonian-style pluralism.
Efforts are being made within white evangelicalism to align with Christ-like behavior and support liberal democracy.
Deep dives
The Crisis of White Evangelicalism and its Impact on Democracy
White evangelical Protestantism has been moving towards a MAGA mindset, abandoning core Christian values in favor of political interests. This shift, driven by grassroots members rather than leadership, poses a threat to both liberal democracy and the witness of Jesus Christ. By contrast, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Utah has embraced a conservative Christianity committed to Madisonian-style pluralism. This unexpected model provides hope for a conservative Christianity that can coexist with liberal democracy. While violence from extremist factions is concerning, the larger issue lies in the need for white evangelicals to rediscover and uphold the core values of Christianity.
The Influence of Theology and Structure
The different responses of the white evangelical and Mormon churches can be attributed to various factors. The hierarchical structure of the Mormon Church allows for more centralized decision-making, while the lack of authority within white evangelicalism leads to a grassroots-driven politicization of the church. However, theology also plays a significant role. White evangelicalism has aligned itself with the far-right and abandoned core Christian teachings, while the Mormon Church has emphasized pluralism and compromise as part of its theological foundation. This distinction highlights the importance of theology and values in shaping the political alignment of religious communities.
The Potential for Change and Restoration
While white evangelicalism has been associated with the political far-right, there are individuals and pastors within the church who recognize the need for change. Efforts are being made to disciple Christians in values that align with Christ-like behavior in both private and public spheres. This includes teaching forgiveness, forbearance, and the acceptance of electoral outcomes. Despite the challenges, there is hope that the white evangelical community can undergo a transformation that aligns with the teachings of Jesus and supports liberal democracy.
The Historical Context and Unique Challenges
The history of white evangelicalism in the United States reveals a complex relationship with politics and social issues. Previously, the church played a stabilizing role within the governing framework of liberal democracy. However, recent alignment with the MAGA movement, driven by fears of minority status and opposition to the left, has compromised the church's values and its ability to contribute positively to society. The unique challenges facing white evangelicalism require introspection, change, and a renewed focus on discipleship to restore its role in upholding Christian values and supporting democratic principles.
Examining Violence and Looking Towards the Future
While concerns about violence exist, especially among extremist factions, the broader issue lies in the need for white evangelicals to re-embrace the values of liberal democracy. The church's alignment with the principles of the MAGA movement, detached from core Christian teachings, poses a threat to the stability and sustainability of democratic governance. By addressing the crisis of values within the white evangelical community, there is a potential for greater harmony between Christianity and liberal democracy, strengthening the positive influence of the church in society.
This week on Chatter, Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Ben Wittes sat down with author and journalist Jonathan Rauch, of the Brookings Institution. In a wide-ranging conversation, they spoke about Jonathan's numerous books, his start in journalism, and his focus on liberalism, Madisonian Pluralism, and religion within democratic institutions.
Chatter is a production of Lawfare and Goat Rodeo. This episode was produced and edited by Cara Shillenn of Goat Rodeo. Podcast theme by David Priess, featuring music created using Groovepad.