In gesprek met Elif Kuş Saillard, socioloog en methodoloog met meer dan twintig jaar ervaring, bespreken ze het innovatieve vier-lichaamsmodel. Elif legt uit hoe technologie als het vierde lichaam onze realiteit vormt en benadrukt de noodzaak van een heroverweging van onze relatie met technologie. Ze gaat dieper in op de rol van menselijke connectie en ethiek in het gebruik van AI, met een pleidooi voor het behoud van menselijke waarden. Deze inzichten zijn essentieel voor gemeenschapswerk en persoonlijke ontwikkeling.
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Vier Lichamen Model Ontstaan
Elif Kuş Saillard ontwikkelde het vier-lichamenmodel vanuit een diepe bevraging van onze aannames over realiteit.
Ze bouwt voort op Aravana Hayashi's drie lichamen en voegt technologie toe als een onvermijdelijk vierde lichaam.
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Dansende Demonstratie Van Drie Lichamen
Aravana Hayashi demonstreerde drie lichamen door beweging en contact met de grond in een video.
Die live demonstratie inspireerde Elif om sociale, aardse en fysieke lichamen te erkennen in één geheel.
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Technologie En Wetenschap Zijn Verstrengeld
Federica Russo toonde dat scheiding tussen wetenschap en technologie illusionair is; beide zijn verstrengeld in kennisproductie.
Technologie heeft agency en vormt samen met onderzoekers de web van interacties die resultaten mogelijk maakt.
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Today, we are learning from Elif Kuş Saillard.
Elif, a sociologist and methodologist, is a scientist of "understanding." With over two decades of expertise in qualitative methodologies and Computer Aided Qualitative Data Analysis (CAQDAS), she founded the NAM Qualitative Research Center in Istanbul in 2013, training many social science researchers globally.
Elif developed the "Meaningful Experience Model" to help organizations and individuals cultivate meaningful experiences. Her pioneering "Understanding Leadership" program unlocks the superpower of understanding, promoting consensus and overcoming polarization. Through this work, she aims to contribute to a sustainable future by helping people enhance their understanding, fostering a more connected and harmonious world.
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The 4 bodies model by Elif Kus Saillard:
In this conversation with Elif Kuş Saillard, I learned:
00:00 Intro
04:05 A deep dive into the deepest assumptions.
05:40 This is how the four-body model started.
07:20 The three bodies of Arawana Hayashi: our physical body, the earth body, and the social body.
10:05 The division between science and technology and the research of Federica Russo.
14:00 The contradiction of Elif: seeing technology as a tool and mentioning that technology is empowering.
15:10 The four-body image became clear: technology is the fourth body. Once we create a tool, it will be with us.
18:35 Humans are the only species that can't survive without technology.
18:55 Every time we add a new technology, we are amputating a part of our body.
21:10 All four bodies work in a harmonious way.
23:55 All the historic evidence that we have exists thanks to technology.
24:15 From a discovery in southern Turkey, we found that spirituality existed before agriculture.
26:00 The question is not whether it is new technology or not. The question is how to integrate the new technology.
28:00 In physics, we know now that nothing is solid.
29:30 The social body of a Turkish coffee cup.
32:40 The problem of knowledge and AI is the amputation of complexity.
35:45 We need to cultivate, human first. That is why the Inner Development Goals are important.
39:00 Urgent homework: to space to integrate AI in daily work, be a good model and give back, teach the way that is ethical and good integration.
43:20 We constantly put guilt on the younger generation because they spend a lot of time in the techno body.
43:40 The adolescent time is when the social body is developing.
46:15 Your whole body is good and important, and cultivate all of them.
49:00 Negative thinking [about technology] is a paraliser. Start by acknowledging that technology is beneficial, and then examine the challenges associated with integration.
51:55 The update of the IDG framework in 2025 to make it global.
53:44 The challenge with 22.000 text replies in all kinds of languages.
55:45 Twenty regions/countries were involved in the analysis process.
56:35 First prototyping in Caux at the IDG forum of the IDG framework version 2.
More about Elif Kuş Saillard:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/elifkus/
http://www.namqda.com/
https://www.anlamap.com/
Read her article on How many bodies do we have?
The conversation we had on understanding How everything and everyone is related through understanding – Elif Kuş Saillard
Resources we mention:
Arawana Hayashi – Presence and Art at the Service of an Enlightened Society
Otto Scharmer – Activating and Supporting a Global Movement for Planetary Healing and Civilization
Federica Russo - Philosopher of science, technology, and information
Book: Techno-Scientific Practices: An Informational Approach - Federica Russo
IDG framework
Inner Compass - Having a deeply felt sense of responsibility and commitment to values and purposes relating to the good of the whole.
Daniel J. Siegel - Wikipedia