Insider Interview: Confronting the CCP by Learning from past Mistakes (feat. James Fennell & Bradley Thayer)
Aug 15, 2024
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James Fennell, an author on U.S. strategic policies towards China, and Bradley Thayer, an expert on engagement with the Chinese Communist Party, dive deep into America's historical missteps in dealing with the CCP. They discuss how to hold China accountable while enhancing alliances with partners like India and Taiwan. Fennell and Thayer emphasize the need for a recalibrated U.S. approach to engagement that addresses human rights issues and counters information warfare, alongside a united front against China's aggressive tactics in Southeast Asia.
The podcast highlights the critical need for the U.S. to learn from past policy failures with China to develop effective engagement strategies.
It emphasizes strengthening international alliances and trust among allies to effectively counter the CCP's influence and aggression.
Deep dives
Historical Context of the China Threat
The podcast highlights the historical context of the rising threat from the People's Republic of China (PRC) and examines how successive U.S. administrations underestimated this challenge. For decades, significant developments, such as China's military expansion and strategic initiatives, were largely ignored by the U.S. intelligence community and think tanks, which contributed to a culture of complacency. The former military leaders emphasize that it wasn't until the Trump administration that substantial measures were taken to address the growing power of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Acknowledging this failure in strategic awareness is seen as critical to formulating a coherent response to the current threats posed by China.
The Importance of Alliances
The discussion emphasizes the crucial role of international alliances in countering the PRC's influence. To successfully confront the CCP, the U.S. must work alongside allies, as China seeks to expand its own alliances with countries like North Korea, Iran, and Russia. The podcast stresses that allies need to trust U.S. leadership and strategy to effectively respond to the challenges posed by the CCP. Strengthening relationships with allies in the Indo-Pacific, such as India and Japan, is highlighted as essential for creating a unified front against Chinese aggression.
Economic Engagement and Its Consequences
The conversation reflects on the economic policies that have historically shaped U.S.-China relations, particularly the detrimental impacts of unrestricted engagement with the CCP. Past administrations fostered a trade system that facilitated the transfer of wealth and manufacturing from the U.S. to China, significantly contributing to China's military advancements. The podcast argues that a reckoning is needed, asserting that current U.S. strategies should include recalibrating economic engagement to prioritize national interests. A more calculated approach to engagement is advocated, ensuring human rights and security concerns are not sidelined in favor of economic benefits.
Countering Political Warfare
The podcast addresses the need for the U.S. to counter the CCP's political warfare tactics effectively, especially in the domestic arena where coercion against Chinese dissidents exists. It advocates for both defensive measures to protect individuals from CCP influence and offensive strategies that call out the regime's illegitimacy. Raising awareness of the CCP's actions and maintaining transparency regarding its military maneuvers in the Pacific is viewed as vital. Finally, the conversation underscores the necessity of informing the public about the true nature of the CCP's aggression, to reshape perceptions and mobilize support for a robust U.S. response.
How much engagement is too much engagement with the Chinese Communist Party? How do we hold the CCP accountable? What kind of policy has ever worked to change CCP behavior? Authors of the new book Embracing Communist China: America's Greatest Strategic Failure James Fennell and Bradley Thayer join host Miles Yu to answer these questions by looking back at the history of failed American policy toward China to ensure we learn lessons for effective engagement with China in the future.
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