Daniel McCarthy: American conservatism after Trump (and before)
Feb 27, 2025
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Daniel McCarthy, editor-in-chief of Modern Age and former editor at The American Conservative, dives into American conservatism after Trump. He discusses the shifting coalitions within both major parties and the impact of demographic changes on conservatism. McCarthy reflects on the origins of current conservative divisions and the roles of figures like William F. Buckley and Russell Kirk. He also examines how evangelicalism has shaped the Republican Party and how conservatives can adapt in a changing cultural landscape.
The 2024 election has catalyzed a realignment in American politics, illustrating Trump's appeal across shifting demographics beyond his initial base.
The decline of the professional managerial class within the Republican coalition highlights a growing disillusionment with traditional elite politics.
Conservatism is evolving towards a more pluralistic and nationalist approach, reflecting changing cultural dynamics and a rejection of progressive ideologies.
Deep dives
Trump's Electoral Realignment and Voter Demographics
The 2024 election has highlighted a significant realignment in American politics, with Donald Trump winning both the popular and electoral votes. This election is seen as a confirmation that Trump's appeal extends beyond his initial support base, particularly with shifting demographics like the white working class moving towards the Republican Party. Meanwhile, educated Americans, known as the professional managerial class, continue to gravitate towards the Democrats. This reshaping of the electorate reflects broader trends of discontent with traditional political norms and a desire for substantial change.
Disruption vs. Normalcy in Political Discourse
The conversation underscores the contrasting perceptions of Trump's presidency, viewed by some as a necessary disruption to the status quo. Many voters, particularly from younger demographics, sought a return to normalcy, frustrated with rising inflation and political correctness during the Biden years. This reflects a broader sentiment where Americans are increasingly rejecting the political elite's narratives that claim everything is ‘fine’ despite visible economic and social challenges. Trump's 2024 campaign further capitalized on this sentiment, framing his return as a repudiation of the perceived chaos of the previous Democratic administration.
Erosion of the Professional Managerial Class
There is an emerging concern about the decline of the professional managerial class within the Republican coalition, driven by a growing disillusionment with traditional elite politics. This group has historically played a significant role in shaping policy and governance, but their influence is waning as the voter base shifts towards working-class concerns and priorities. Moreover, the dominance of the professional class in academia and mainstream media is seen as contributing to a disconnect between elite opinions and the realities faced by everyday Americans. As the political landscape changes, the ability of this managerial class to shape the narrative is increasingly questioned.
Shifting Ideological Landscape of the Conservative Movement
The podcast discusses how the ideological foundation of conservatism is evolving, particularly with the rise of figures like Trump who challenge established norms. Traditional conservatism often emphasized a foreign policy defined by interventionism and free trade but is experiencing a shift towards nationalism and protectionism. This transformation is reflected in the increasing prominence of alternative conservative outlets and thinkers who push back against the neoconservative consensus. As a consequence, this newly energized movement is allowing for a more diverse set of voices to emerge within the conservative space, reflecting broader societal changes.
Cultural Dynamics and the Future of American Conservatism
The conversation closes with reflections on the future of American conservatism amidst the decline of religious unity in the party. Many young conservatives are becoming less connected to traditional evangelical roots while embracing a more pluralistic approach to cultural values. Despite this, the right remains united against what it perceives as the excesses of the left, including political correctness and 'wokeism.' The evolving cultural dynamics signal a potential new coalition for conservatism, one that seeks to blend diverse perspectives while maintaining core principles of opposition to progressive ideologies.
On this episode of Unsupervised Learning Razib talks to Daniel McCarthy, editor-in-chief of Modern Age. Former editor-in-chief of The American Conservative, his writing has also appeared in the New York Times, USA Today, TheSpectator, TheNational Interest and Reason. McCarthy also helped run communications for the 2008 Ron Paul campaign and was a senior editor at ISI Books. He earned a Ph.D. in classics from Washington University in St. Louis.
First, Razib and McCarthy discuss the outcome of the 2024 presidential election, and the realignment of coalitions on both right and left, and what these realignments might presage for both parties’ future. McCarthy also outlines the long march of anti-war conservatives who organized themselves around The American Conservative in the first George W. Bush term, their eventual move into the mainstream and poll position in the discourse under Donald Trump. Razib asks about the origins of modern conservatism’s divisions, going back to William F. Buckley’s founding of National Review in the 1950’s. McCarthy also talks about Russell Kirk’s role in the development of post-World War II conservatism, which included the founding of Modern Age, a more intellectual and philosophical publication than National Review. Razib asks McCarthy how the Right will evolve in a changing America, with a diminishing white majority and a more post-Christian mainstream.
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