S16 E6: Super Testnet on Monero vs Lightning Network Privacy

Bitcoin developer Super Testnet argues that the Lightning Network is more private – and therefore better suited for darknet markets than Monero. In this episode, he breaks down all the nuances involved and defines good financial privacy. Time stamps: Introducing Super Testnet (00:00:48) Lightning on Dark Web Markets (00:01:08) Lightning Network Privacy Features (00:01:40) Analysis of Sender and Receiver Privacy (00:02:02) Onion Routing Explanation (00:03:07) Invoice Privacy Comparison (00:04:36) Transaction Visibility in Monero? (00:06:08) Information Storage in Lightning (00:07:12) Liquidity and Large Transactions (00:08:10) Amount Privacy in Lightning (00:09:34) Private Channels in Lightning (00:11:25) Routing Nodes and Privacy (00:13:59) How Monero Transactions Work (00:15:08) Encryption Standards in Monero (00:16:01) Recipient Privacy in Monero (00:17:54) Privacy Tech (00:18:52) Network Level Privacy (00:19:02) Tor Usage in Lightning Network (00:19:44) Routing Node Configuration (00:20:07) Dandelion++ (00:21:00) IP Address Association in Lightning (00:21:22) Encryption in Lightning Transactions (00:22:50) Monero's Network Privacy by Default (00:23:18) Chainalysis Video Reference (00:23:40) Remote Procedure Call Limitations (00:24:38) Custodial Solutions and Privacy (00:26:31) Privacy Advantages of Mints (00:28:08) Full Chain Membership Proofs (00:29:53) Encrypted Senders in Lightning (00:31:52) Comparison with Zcash (00:32:30) Barriers for Lightning Network Adoption (00:34:05) Exploring XMR Bazaar (00:35:02) SideShift (00:36:03) Paul Sztorc's Core Untouched Soft Work (00:37:14) Drivechains Activation (00:38:27) Ossification of Bitcoin (00:41:09) Concerns About Ossification (00:41:51) ZK Rollups Discussion (00:42:35) Citrea’s Zero Knowledge Proof Rollup (00:45:05) Community Concerns on Lightning Network (00:48:34) Chainalysis and Dandelion Protocol (00:50:23) LSP and KYC Privacy Issues (00:52:39) Receiver Privacy in Lightning Network (00:53:28) Phoenix Wallet Setup (00:54:15) Sender Privacy Concerns (00:55:30) View Key and Monero (00:57:10) Chainalysis and Lightning Network (01:02:08) Monero Tracing Capabilities (01:06:01) User Input Error in Privacy (01:07:02) The Lightning Network vs. Monero Privacy (01:10:56) Conference Plans in Romania (01:12:00) Monero Payment Channel Network (01:14:36) Full Chain Membership Proofs (01:15:21) Lightning Network and Sender Encryption (01:15:32) Stablecoins and Lightning Network (01:16:22) Monero Transaction Validation (01:18:05) Zero Knowledge Proofs in Monero (01:18:56) Bitcoin's Zero Knowledge Rollups (01:20:31 Rollups and Bitcoin Scalability (01:21:04) Trojan Horse Concept in Bitcoin (01:23:46) Tornado Cash vs. Coinjoin (01:25:36) Coin Pool on Bitcoin (01:27:34) Darknet Market Listings (01:29:13) Nostr and Classified Ads (01:29:34) Privacy in Darknet Transactions (01:30:50) Risks of Direct Payments (01:31:54) Exploring Shopstr Listings (01:32:43) Comparing Shopstr and XMR Bazaar (01:35:00) Privacy Improvements in Shopstr (01:37:13) Lightning Network Developments (01:44:42) KYC and Banking Issues (01:48:24) Introduction to Bank Privacy Issues (01:48:59) Financial Regulations in Romania (01:49:48) Advice on Relocation for Financial Privacy (01:50:12) Intrusiveness of Banking Regulations (01:51:03) Personal Experience with Banking Scrutiny (01:51:34) Living Arrangements (01:52:13) Lightning Network Implementations Privacy (01:53:16) Privacy Implications of Lightning Wallets (01:54:03) User-Friendliness of Lightning Wallets (01:54:57) BOLT 12 and Privacy Claims (01:56:29) Improvements in BOLT 12 (01:57:09) Critique of BOLT 12's Privacy Features (01:59:30) Super Testnet’s Current Projects and Work Focus (02:00:15) Development of Mint Market Cap Tool (02:01:30) Title Transfer App and State Chains (02:02:30) Ensuring Security in State Chains (02:03:32) Nostr Wallet Connect Protocol (02:04:26) Creation of Faucet Generator (02:05:40) Creating a Testnet (02:06:36) State Chains Discussion (02:07:12) Prediction Market Concept (02:08:14) Project Backlog Overview (02:10:14) Super Testnet’s Music Career (02:12:29) Upcoming Conferences (02:14:39) Coin Pools Advantages (02:15:41) Planning Conference Attendance (02:17:25) Workshops and Commitments (02:17:56) Health and Fitness Journey (02:19:08) Should Bitcoin Increase the Block Size? (02:20:13) Soft Fork Proposal (02:21:04) Market Value of Transactions (02:22:47) Workshop Availability (02:24:02) Social Media Presence (02:25:14) Scams and Fake Accounts (02:26:02) Social Engineering Tactics (02:26:39) Money Requests Clarification (02:27:34) Social Links and Resources (02:27:58) Audience Engagement (02:28:28) Closing Remarks (02:29:01)