The artificial intelligence industry was thrown for a loop when the Chinese start-up DeepSeek rolled out a product that was more energy efficient, cheaper to produce, and open source. Where did DeepSeek come from, and are Silicon Valley and Washington right to be panicking?

Guest: Zeyi Yang, senior writer at WIRED.

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Podcast production by Evan Campbell, Patrick Fort, and Cheyna Roth.

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