Summary
In this episode of the Data Engineering Podcast Bartosz Mikulski talks about preparing data for AI applications. Bartosz shares his journey from data engineering to MLOps and emphasizes the importance of data testing over software development in AI contexts. He discusses the types of data assets required for AI applications, including extensive test datasets, especially in generative AI, and explains the differences in data requirements for various AI application styles. The conversation also explores the skills data engineers need to transition into AI, such as familiarity with vector databases and new data modeling strategies, and highlights the challenges of evolving AI applications, including frequent reprocessing of data when changing chunking strategies or embedding models.

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Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Bartosz Mikulski about how to prepare data for use in AI applications

Interview

Introduction
How did you get involved in the area of data management?
Can you start by outlining some of the main categories of data assets that are needed for AI applications?
- How does the nature of the application change those requirements? (e.g. RAG app vs. agent, etc.)
How do the different assets map to the stages of the application lifecycle?
- What are some of the common roles and divisions of responsibility that you see in the construction and operation of a "typical" AI application?
For data engineers who are used to data warehousing/BI, what are the skills that map to AI apps?
What are some of the data modeling patterns that are needed to support AI apps?
- chunking strategies
- metadata management
What are the new categories of data that data engineers need to manage in the context of AI applications?
- agent memory generation/evolution
- conversation history management
- data collection for fine tuning
What are some of the notable evolutions in the space of AI applications and their patterns that have happened in the past ~1-2 years that relate to the responsibilities of data engineers?
What are some of the skills gaps that teams should be aware of and identify training opportunities for?
What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen data teams address the needs of AI applications?
What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on AI applications and their reliance on data?
What are some of the emerging trends that you are paying particular attention to?

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Parting Question

From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?

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