The Remarkable Leadership Podcast

Beyond the Bias with Andrea Kramer and Alton Harris

Jul 19, 2023

37:12

Gender bias and inequality in the workplace is not a new problem. Despite its longstanding presence, this problem continues to linger, impacting the professional growth and opportunities of women worldwide. Only 12% of paid executive officers in publicly held companies are women. Andrea Kramer and Alton Harris join Kevin to discuss their approach to addressing this problem. They argue that traditional anti-bias training programs are ineffective. You can’t tell someone, don’t do that. Instead, they suggest eliminating exclusionary behaviors and biases from organizational policies and practices. They also debunk five gender myths, including the idea that women lack ambition, are less self-confident, and cannot handle risks and leadership roles.

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00:00 Introduction 04:41 Statistics of gender inequality 07:19 Reasons for the persistence of gender inequality 10:27 Suggestions for improving the effectiveness of training programs 12:59 Introduction of the five gender myths 18:16 Overview of the four parts of the PATH program 25:59 Impact of the pandemic on gender inequality 32:58 Book recommendations 36:20 Closing

Meet Andrea and Alton

Their Story: Andrea S. Kramer (Andie) and Alton B. Harris (Al) are distinguished attorneys, married to each other and co-authors of Beyond Bias: The PATH to End Gender Inequality at Work. For decades, Andie and Al have tackled gender bias in the workplace through speaking, workshops, articles, blog posts, podcasts, one-on-one counseling, and engagements with national and international business and professional organizations. They have appeared in The New York Times, Harvard Business Review, The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Huffington Post, The Chicago Tribune, Fast Company, Crain's, and many other publications. They provide practical techniques that women, men, and organizations can use to prevent the gender stereotypes and the biases that flow from them from slowing down or derailing women's careers.

https://andieandal.com/

https://twitter.com/AndieandAl

https://www.linkedin.com/company/andieandal/people/

https://www.youtube.com/@andreakramer3985

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