023. David Peter Stroh: Systems, Design, and Social Change
Feb 9, 2023
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Explore the speaker's journey into systems thinking, the significance of unintended consequences in complex systems, benefits of systems thinking in impact work, and the spiritual aspect of this practice. Dive into discussions on wealth inequality, human systems complexity, and the interconnectedness of systems and spirituality. Reflect on personal growth, seeking truth, and creating opportunities for positive change.
Systems are perfectly designed to achieve specific outcomes, even if they seem dysfunctional, demonstrated by the example of homeless shelters.
Systems thinking involves emotional, physical, and spiritual aspects, requiring qualities like humility, curiosity, and compassion for understanding interconnected complexities.
Deep dives
Understanding Systems as Designed to Achieve Specific Goals
Systems are described as being in equilibrium and perfectly designed to achieve specific outcomes, even if those outcomes may appear dysfunctional. For instance, the system of homeless shelters is aimed at helping people cope with homelessness rather than resolving it entirely, demonstrating how systems are perfectly designed to accomplish certain purposes.
Personal Journey and Evolution Towards Systems Thinking
David Peter Straw's background in transportation systems and urban development led him to the field of organizational development and eventually to system thinking. His experiences and exposure to different complexities, both in nature and urban life, shaped his approach towards understanding interconnected systems and how they function.
Applying Compassion and Curiosity in Systems Thinking
System thinking involves cultivating qualities like humility, curiosity, and compassion. Recognizing the diverse perspectives within a system and understanding unintended consequences require a compassionate approach. Being open to continuous learning and adapting models while holding them lightly is essential in dealing with the complexities of interconnected systems.
The Spiritual Practice of Systems Thinking
Systems thinking extends beyond a mental discipline to embody emotional, physical, and spiritual aspects. Embracing humility, curiosity, compassion, courage, patience, and persistence aligns with spiritual teachings and enhances the understanding of dynamic, interconnected systems. Acknowledging the continuous evolution of systems and models while cultivating wisdom from varied perspectives fosters a deeper understanding of the world.
David Peter Stroh is the bestselling author of Systems Thinking for Social Change: A Practical Guide for Solving Complex Problems, Avoiding Unintended Consequences, and Achieving Lasting Results.
For the past 40 years, David has helped leaders to apply systems thinking to organizational strategy, and achieve breakthrough, sustainable change. He is a founding partner of the influential consulting firm Bridgeway Partners, a faculty member of the Academy for Systems Change, and a charter member of the Society for Organizational Learning.
EPISODE SUMMARY
In this conversation we talk about:
How he was exposed as a child to both natural and urban complexity growing up in Inwood, at the very northern tip of Manhattan, NY.
How he fell in love with transportation systems, but ended up studying Organization Development at MIT.
How his search for greater impact and a seat at the table led him down the Systems Thinking path, and eventually to founding a consulting firm alongside Charlie Kiefer, Robert Fritz, and Peter Senge, later of The Fifth Discipline fame.
We also discuss:
What’s a system, and what’s systems thinking?
Why do complex systems often yield unintended consequences?
What are the benefits of systems thinking, especially in the world of impact?
What does it tell us about wealth inequality and poverty?
And why David has come to see systems thinking as an almost spiritual practice?
David’s book and his blog are must reads for anyone interested in making deep and lasting positive impact, and avoid undesirable consequences. And this conversation can serve as a good, and I think, exciting intro to the topic.
So let's jump right in with David Peter Stroh.
TIMESTAMP CHAPTERS
[3:34] Life During Covid
[6:00] The Advantages of Various Points of View
[12:17] The Birth of Innovation Associates
[18:05] Defining Systems Thinking
[22:57] The Role of Intent In Systems
[33:32] The Benefits of The Systems Thinking Approach In Creating Change
[42:56] The Spiritual Aspects of Systems Thinking
[59:03] A Sermon for Those Who Wish to Create Change