This is a conversation with Kai Kuhnhenn and Linda Schneider. They recently co-wrote a really important and freely-available study exploring a Societal Transformation Scenario (STS) on how to limit global warming to 1.5°C.

Topics Discussed:

• The importance of the study
• The problem with assuming economic growth in studying environmental impact
• The reliance on growth in Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports
• Risks of geoengineering
• Degrowth for the Global North
• How the Societal Transformation Scenario (STS) differs from mainstream economics
• The problems with uncritical techno-optimism
• The risks of overshoot
• Why Recycle is the least important of the three Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
• What about the Global South?
• Addressing economic justice
• What exactly does Net Zero mean?
• Keystone pipeline
• Exploring the possible
• Having hope
• Climate anxiety

Recommended Books

• The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin
• Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by adrienne maree brown
• The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
• Corona, Climate, Chronic Emergency by Andreas Malm

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