Steve Keen has often said, the problem with economics in, it ignores thermodynamics. That’s not always been the case. Georgescu-Roegen, a Romanian economist, wrote The Entropy Law and the Economic Process in 1971, which embraced the orle of energy and waste in economics. But we’ve taken backward steps since then. This week Phil Dobbie asks Steve Keen to explain what thermodynamics is and why it is critical to the forward direction for economics. Without it, can we really save the planet?

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