John Ahern joins me to explore questions related to church music and Contemporary Christian Music (CCM). The following are a selection of John's articles, if you would like to read more: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2020/04/contrapuntal-order https://theopolisinstitute.com/theses-on-church-music-and-economics/ https://theopolisinstitute.com/conversations/secularity-and-the-problem-of-church-music/ https://theopolisinstitute.com/conversations/moving-past-musical-dystopia/ I also reference Adam Neely's video on CCM, in which he discusses it in terms of the concept of 'musicking': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hACUz4WVWwk&ab_channel=AdamNeely If you have enjoyed my videos and podcasts, please tell your friends. If you are interested in supporting my videos and podcasts and my research more generally, please consider supporting my work on Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/zugzwanged), using my PayPal account (https://bit.ly/2RLaUcB), or by buying books for my research on Amazon (https://www.amazon.co.uk/hz/wishlist/ls/36WVSWCK4X33O?ref_=wl_share). You can also listen to the audio of these episodes on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/alastairs-adversaria/id1416351035?mt=2.