Orville Schell is an author, a journalist, a China scholar, and the director of the Asia Society's Center on U.S.-China Relations.

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(00:00) Intro

(01:00) Orville's entering China in the 1970s

(07:10) Was was China like in the 1970s?

(10:09) The palpable fear in China in the 1970s

(14:55) The details of Mao Zedong the Cultural Revolution

(20:40) What preceded Communism in China?

(25:32) Why was Communism appealing to Chinese revolutionaries?

(30:11) China in the 1970s and how it reopened to the world

(37:10) Why did China not become free after the 1980s?

(41:39) 1989 and Tiananmen Square

(45:28) China in the next few years

(52:19) How might China become free?

(55:26) Why China matters

Episode 137: Orville Schell - Will The Chinese People Ever Be Free?