Getting Smart Podcast Is Deeper Learning the Answer Uncertainty in the Age of AI? | Michael Fullan
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May 14, 2025 Michael Fullan, an acclaimed advocate for deeper learning and educational reform, joins the discussion with insights on navigating AI's impact on education. He highlights 'systemness' as vital for transformative change, urging a shift from isolated initiatives. The conversation dives into the successes in Anaheim, the need for bottom-up educational reform, and the importance of democratizing power in learning. Fullan warns against unchecked AI integration, emphasizing the necessity for a strong cultural foundation and the 'spirit work' that fosters collaboration in schools.
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Anaheim's Compassionate Cs Journey
- Anaheim adapted the six C's of learning into five compassionate Cs driving pedagogy and capacity building.
- In three years, Anaheim made deep progress integrating these elements tightly into their educational system.
Systemness Over Deep Learning
- Deep learning alone isn't the answer; systemic change, or 'systemness,' is the key to transforming education.
- This involves multiple districts collaborating deeply to scale systemic improvements beyond isolated successes.
Bottom-Up System Change Essential
- System change has failed historically because it was top-down and disconnected from practice.
- Building capacity from the bottom (students, teachers, principals) and strengthening the middle (districts) drives sustainable educational transformation.
