Prof Saleem Ali of the University of Delaware is author of 'Earthly Order: How natural laws define human life' and describes the way order in the universe drives order in human and social settings. He engages with Dr Stephen Meyer of the Discovery Institute, whose book 'The Return of The God Hypothesis' makes the case that order in nature points to a divine mind.

For 'Earthly Order' https://saleemali.net/

For Stephen Meyer https://returnofthegodhypothesis.com/

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Where does order in nature and the cosmos come from? Stephen Meyer & Saleem Ali