🔥 “Revival or Nothing” — The Second “S” in BSSM

May 5, 2025

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Dave Ward

Join Hayley Braun, Senior Overseer at BSSM, Richard Gordon, CTO of Bethel Church, and Dave Ward, Associate Overseer, as they dive deep into the essence of living a supernatural life. They explore what it truly means to be a revivalist, sharing bold testimonies of faith and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit. This dynamic conversation emphasizes the importance of risk-taking, humility, and hunger for God, inviting listeners to embrace the miraculous and become agents of change in their communities.

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INSIGHT

Supernatural Means Transformation

The supernatural at BSSM means being transformed by the Holy Spirit to bring heaven to earth.
Manifestations like rain inside or gold flakes are signs but not the focus; transformation is key.

ANECDOTE

Embracing the Unexplainable

Dave Ward experienced 'glory cloud' moments and strange manifestations that challenged his theological understanding.
He learned to embrace these experiences with humility and hunger rather than skepticism.

ANECDOTE

A Leap of Faith for Revival

Hayley Braun came from a conservative background and was stirred by worship leading and supernatural worship on TV.
She moved to BSSM investing her savings because she felt a deep hunger for God's presence.

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“Revival or Nothing” — The Second “S” in BSSM
(w/ Hayley Braun, Richard Gordon & Dave Ward | Hosted by Gabe Valenzuela)

What does it really mean to live a supernatural life?

In this powerful episode, Hayley Braun, Richard Gordon, Dave Ward, and Gabe Valenzuela unpack the second "S" in BSSM: supernatural. With raw honesty and bold stories, they share how revival culture isn’t just a buzzword—it’s a lifestyle. From personal encounters with God to faith-filled decisions, this conversation will ignite your hunger for more of God and ground you in the values that shape revivalists.

Whether you're leading in ministry, growing in faith, or just longing for more of the Holy Spirit in your life, this episode is packed with wisdom and fire.

[02:20] – What we mean by "supernatural" in BSSM
[10:25] – Choosing to engage with what God is doing
[15:26] – Don’t shrink God... let hunger and humility expand you
[18:18] – Pointing everything back to Jesus
[22:30] – Taking risks and stepping out in faith
[29:00] – What does it mean to be a “revivalist”?
[33:40] – Purity and power working together
[40:00] – Transformed people transform the world
[51:17] – Hayley gives word for a 19-year-old girl

• Supernatural life is normal in the kingdom of God
• Revival requires risk, hunger, and surrender
• God often works outside of our understanding—but never outside His nature
• You don’t need to be perfect to be chosen—just available
• Revivalists don’t fit in; they stand out for love, truth, and power

Hayley Braun is the Senior Overseer of BSSM Third Year.
Richard Gordon is the Chief Technology Officer of Bethel Church.
Dave Ward is the BSSM Second Year Associate Overseer.
Gabe Valenzuela is the Senior Overseer of BSSM Second Year.

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