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Understanding The Value of AI Coding | Gene Kim In The Engineering Room Ep. 42

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Jan 25, 2026

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Gene Kim

Gene Kim, bestselling author and DevOps expert, discusses AI-assisted "Vibe Coding" and how it changes software work. He shares rapid-build stories, the FAFO value framework, and why faster generation demands faster feedback and modularity. They explore who benefits, how trust grows, versioning prompts versus specs, and how roles and skills shift as AI raises engineering abstraction.

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ANECDOTE

47-Minute Video Excerpt Tool

Gene Kim built a video-excerpt generator in 47 minutes and expected it would previously take days.
That rapid success convinced him to lean on AI more and to write Vibe Coding with Steve Yegge.

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INSIGHT

Core Engineering Principles Still Matter

AI amplifies the benefits of locality, modularity, fast feedback and psychological safety rather than replacing them.
Gene Kim says these principles must be amplified because AI speeds up development and control systems must keep pace.

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ADVICE

Make Small Tasks Free And Preserve Options

Do use AI to make small tasks effectively free and enable solo, autonomous work to reduce coordination costs.
Do preserve option value by designing modular systems so AI-driven changes remain safe and reversible.

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Why Vibe Coding and Modern Software Engineering

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Personal Vibe Coding Discovery and Benefits

03:20 • 2min

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Linking Vibe Coding to The Unicorn Project Ideals

05:29 • 2min

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FAFO: Value Framework for Vibe Coding

07:04 • 3min

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Need to Speed Up Control Systems

09:52 • 1min

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Opportunity to Improve Industry Practices

11:20 • 1min

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Who Benefits and Who Gets Amplified

12:25 • 2min

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Fast Feedback Solves the MIT Beer Game Problem

14:08 • 2min

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Trust in AI Grows with Use

16:18 • 1min

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Language Precision and Testing Requirements

17:42 • 3min

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Core Engineering Principles Still Apply

21:09 • 2min

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Incrementalism, Context Windows, and Optionality

23:18 • 1min

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Committed Changes, Rollbacks, and Elevated Tasks

24:41 • 3min

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AI Raises the Abstraction Level of Work

27:57 • 59sec

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What to Version Control in Vibe Coding

28:56 • 3min

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Two Modes of AI Assistance

31:50 • 1min

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AI Reliability and Unexpected Correctness

33:04 • 3min

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Dealing with Bad Code and Non-determinism

35:38 • 5min

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SpecKit Versus Fast Iteration Trade-offs

40:19 • 2min

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Language Choices and LM Preferences

42:14 • 2min

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Does Architecture Matter If Rewrites Are Easy?

43:56 • 3min

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Regenerating Systems vs. Reducing Cost of Change

46:31 • 26sec

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Onboarding AIs with Architectural Sensibilities

46:57 • 2min

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How Teams and Roles Might Change

49:13 • 4min

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Vibe Coding Loop: Inner, Middle, Outer

53:42 • 3min

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Balancing Direct Access and Fast Recovery

56:40 • 1min

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Vibe Coding Impact Beyond Developers

58:03 • 4min

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Skills That Matter: Specification and Delegation

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In this episode of The Engineering Room, Dave Farley talks with with Gene Kim, the bestselling author of "The Phoenix Project," "The Unicorn Project," and "Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps." They discuss the controversial topic of "Vibe Coding," a concept Gene explored in his recent collaboration with Steve Yegge. While Dave initially described Vibe Coding as "one of the worst ideas of 2025," this conversation unpacks whether AI actually represents a fundamental shift in how we build software.

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