Sami, Connor and Mahesh are joined by Ryan Selkis, Founder and CEO of Messari. Messari provides market intelligence that drives high-conviction participation in the crypto economy.

Ryan discusses his thoughts on the current state of crypto regulation, its implications on the 2024 US Presidential election, where he hopes Vivek Ramaswamy lands next, the 3 areas of DePIN that excite him most, and if it has a hat (spoiler: it does).

0:00 Is this the cold open?

0:47 Does it have a hat?

2:26 What did the term “Web3” do to Selkis?

5:47 State of crypto & the US Presidential Race

16:03 Vivek Ramaswamy’s next step

21:01 Trump’s stance on crypto

27:00 How well do US regulators understand DePIN?

37:00 The sectors of DePIN Selkis is most interested in

44:29 How to be a cockroach

50:06 Lightning round

Disclaimer: The hosts and the firms they represent may hold stakes in the companies mentioned in this podcast. None of this is financial advice.