Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast [AIEWF Preview] Containing Agent Chaos — Solomon Hykes
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Jun 3, 2025 
In this discussion, Solomon Hykes, the creator of Docker and founder of Dagger, dives into the evolution of developer workflows powered by container technology. He highlights Dagger's role in automating software delivery and the importance of creating intuitive experiences for coding agents. Solomon emphasizes the need for standardization in agent environments and explores the balance between simplicity and modularity, using a Lego analogy. He also examines the challenges of ephemeral applications and the future landscape of AI-driven development.
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Dagger as Workflow Engine
- Dagger is a workflow engine automating software delivery workflows within containers for portability and isolation.
- It focuses on post-development to speed up and improve build and test pipelines for software teams.
Developers Managing Agent Teams
- Developers will manage multiple coding agents as a team rather than writing code solo.
- Decoupling agents' environments with isolated, portable containers avoids lock-in to specific apps, models, or clouds.
Ideal Container-Based Agent Environment
- Containers remain the fundamental base for agent environments despite tooling fragmentation.
- A perfect developer environment is portable, isolated, observable, multiplayer, and agent-native, unlike existing monolithic IDE solutions.