The war between Israel and Hamas and its unfathomable human toll
Oct 14, 2023
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The podcast explores the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, discussing recent terrorist attacks, the impact on civilians, and insights from experts and eyewitnesses on the ground. It also examines the unexpected escalation of the conflict and the challenges faced by both sides. The geopolitical context and sentiment in the West Bank and Gaza are discussed, as well as the response of the Palestinian people. The chapter concludes with an exploration of the difficulties faced by civilians and the tragic circumstances of the conflict.
Israel's intelligence and security forces failed to anticipate and prevent the surprise attack by Hamas, leading to psychological trauma for millions of Israelis.
Hamas initiated the war due to its deteriorating position and the Palestinians' worsening economic conditions, while Israel, in a strong geopolitical position, was on the verge of signing a historic peace deal with Saudi Arabia.
Deep dives
Israeli-Hamas Conflict: Devastating Atrocities and Unforeseen Attacks
The podcast discusses the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas, highlighting the shock and horror of the attacks perpetrated by Hamas. The host interviews Avi Mayer, the editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post, to gain firsthand insights into the situation. Mayer describes the drastic changes in daily life, including constant rocket barrages and the need to take shelter in bomb shelters. He emphasizes that the top priority is the safe return of the hostage and the need for Israel to respond forcefully to deal a devastating blow to Hamas. Mayer explains that Hamas' behavior is similar to that of ISIS and that it is an organization that cannot be reasoned with. The listeners are given a glimpse of the unity and determination within Israel, as the country rallies together during this crisis.
The Dilemma of Responding to Hostage Situation and a Devastating Blow to Hamas
The podcast delves into the complex dilemma faced by Israel in responding to the hostage situation and dealing a significant blow to Hamas. Mayer acknowledges that there is no good option, but emphasizes that strong military action needs to be undertaken. He mentions the existence of a broad consensus among Israelis that Hamas must be severely weakened to prevent such atrocities in the future. The host raises the concern that military action could play into Hamas' trap and result in more civilian casualties. Mayer, while acknowledging the risk, states that Israel's priority is to keep its people safe and prevent future attacks. He explains that Israel will engage in surgical strikes to target Hamas infrastructure, including command and control posts and leadership positions. Mayer also recognizes the potential political consequences for the Prime Minister due to the magnitude of the military and intelligence failure in preventing the attacks.
The Desperation and Tragic Fallout for Palestinians
The podcast addresses the broader geopolitical context surrounding the conflict, particularly the impact on Palestinians and the region. The host interviews Shibley Telhami, an expert from the University of Maryland, who provides insights into the sentiments and reactions among Palestinians. Telhami highlights the long-standing despair and anger resulting from the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. He acknowledges that while the actions of Hamas cannot be justified, the despair among Palestinians has made them more willing to support any group that takes action. Telhami explains that the focus on addressing the Palestinian issue is likely to increase both at the regional level and among the Arab public. He identifies the potential for regional expansion of violence beyond Gaza, including the involvement of Hezbollah and Iran. The podcast concludes with a sobering discussion on the logistical challenges faced by Palestinians in Gaza and their limited options for safety and escape.
Israel is at war, caught in the worst surprise attack in half a century. Hamas’ shock terrorist attacks cut deep into Israeli territory. That psychological trauma compounds the shock for millions of Israelis that their world-class intelligence and security forces completely missed this. That’s why comparisons with the 9/11 attacks on the US are the right analogy – Israel’s weakness was, in part, a failure of imagination. Hamas has launched a suicidal war, and Palestinians will pay dearly for it. But why did Hamas move now? In part because of their deteriorating position: blockaded by Israel and Egypt, the economy in Gaza was terrible and getting worse. Meanwhile, the geopolitics were leaving the Palestinians behind. Israel is in its strongest geopolitical position in decades and was on the verge of signing a historic peace deal with Saudi Arabia. The severity of Israel’s expected response – a ground invasion that will result in thousands of Palestinian deaths – makes that politically untenable for the Saudis now. Avi Mayer, editor-in-chief of the Jerusalem Post, joins Ian Bremmer on the GZERO World podcast from Israel to talk about how his life, not to mention those of his fellow Israelis, has been forever changed in the past few days. He also provides a pained but unflinching take on how Israel should respond and what that response might mean for the Palestinians caught in the crosshairs. Ian also speaks with Middle East scholar Shibley Telhami, based in the Washington DC area, about the broader geopolitical context of this latest conflict. Why did Hamas choose this moment to launch its attack and how did a burgeoning diplomatic deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia play into that decision? Also, what will happen to the 2.3 million Gazans with nowhere to go?